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I don't know why you think it's obviously false. The problem is that the child sees chores as arbitrary labour without value to the themselves, not realising th
by MrJohz 4y ago
I don't know why you think it's obviously false. The problem is that the child sees chores as arbitrary labour without value to the themselves, not realising that by serving the family they help themselves as well. That's something that every child has to learn - are you going to claim that a girl in this situation is going to go "whoopee, chores, that's really what makes my feminine brain tick"?
I absolutely agree that we need adult male role models to tell male adolescents that they need to take care of others. We need it for women too, but that's a less pressing need for most of our societies. I suspect that the original tweeter would agree to that too. But the point the tweet was making is that "look after your mother while I'm gone" is not that. As I pointed out in the comment, it (a) doesn't give any actionable instruction or help, and (b) doesn't come from a decision made by the whole community. Instead, it's just a harmful reinforcement of the idea that men have an inherent "protector" role that defines their identity.
- torstenvl 4y agoDo you have any evidentiary support for the idea that redirecting testosterone-based emotional responses in a pro-social (protective) rather than in an anti-social (aggressive) way is "harmful"? HN is not the place for propaganda.
- MrJohz 4y agoSorry, I think we're talking cross purposes somewhat. I don't think that what you've described is in of itself harmful, and I don't think I've made that claim. I do think that the language used in the original tweet does a bad job of "redirecting emotional responses" because it doesn't give the person a meaningful, useful task, nor is it even particularly pro-social. Whereas in the anecdote given in the article, the author was given a meaningful task to do, and was able to learn from that.