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Plenty of new faculty are more interested in research than teaching too.

yodsanklai 4y ago
> Plenty of new faculty are more interested in research than teaching too. Partly, because they're evaluated on research.
- njbooher 4y ago
  But are being paid by tuition revenue, from people who expect them to teach. The US needs more national labs for people who want to do research but don't want to teach.
  - zem 4y ago
    and better pay and tenure options for people who don't want to do research but are good at and put significant amounts of work into teaching.
    - njbooher 4y ago
      I agree. I was envisioning that after we shipped the people who don't like teaching off to national labs that the universities would just focus on teaching and could pay those people better.
martopix 4y ago
The system is unfortunately unfair to everyone, in the sense that it's an unfair expectation for people to love and be good simultaneously at teaching and research. I met many people that want to do research (because of passion or because that's what gets you a career) and are bothered by teaching; I've also met people, including myself, who prefer teaching to research, and it's unfair that neither of these groups can express their skill properly. I predict that in the future there will be more of a separation of careers, especially at the bachelor level, where having an instructor that knows the state of the art of research is not so necessary (although I'd argue that they should have a PhD). This is already happening a bit, say, in the UK, especially in fields like CS where courses are required also in other degrees curricula.
- karmelapple 4y ago
  Talking with my partner just now, it seems like some universities in the USA practice this now. Some colleges at Iowa State University seem to have professors that have very low research expectations, and they typically teach the 100 and 200-level classes. Those teachers seemed to have packed lecture halls, since those profs truly care about teaching and don’t have the stress of constantly producing papers from a large lab.
  - njbooher 4y ago
    Those are term faculty. They typically aren't paid well.

> Plenty of new faculty are more interested in research than teaching too. Partly, because they're evaluated on research.

njbooher 4y ago
But are being paid by tuition revenue, from people who expect them to teach. The US needs more national labs for people who want to do research but don't want to teach.
- zem 4y ago
  and better pay and tenure options for people who don't want to do research but are good at and put significant amounts of work into teaching.
  - njbooher 4y ago
    I agree. I was envisioning that after we shipped the people who don't like teaching off to national labs that the universities would just focus on teaching and could pay those people better.

martopix 4y ago

The system is unfortunately unfair to everyone, in the sense that it's an unfair expectation for people to love and be good simultaneously at teaching and research. I met many people that want to do research (because of passion or because that's what gets you a career) and are bothered by teaching; I've also met people, including myself, who prefer teaching to research, and it's unfair that neither of these groups can express their skill properly. I predict that in the future there will be more of a separation of careers, especially at the bachelor level, where having an instructor that knows the state of the art of research is not so necessary (although I'd argue that they should have a PhD). This is already happening a bit, say, in the UK, especially in fields like CS where courses are required also in other degrees curricula.

karmelapple 4y ago
Talking with my partner just now, it seems like some universities in the USA practice this now. Some colleges at Iowa State University seem to have professors that have very low research expectations, and they typically teach the 100 and 200-level classes. Those teachers seemed to have packed lecture halls, since those profs truly care about teaching and don’t have the stress of constantly producing papers from a large lab.
- njbooher 4y ago
  Those are term faculty. They typically aren't paid well.