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Is it fast though? I’d rather fill out 10 forms and get a definitive answer in two weeks than fill out one form and wait up to a year for the definitive answer

by willyt 4y ago

Is it fast though? I’d rather fill out 10 forms and get a definitive answer in two weeks than fill out one form and wait up to a year for the definitive answer like in the UK.

bilekas 4y ago
Hmm, it depends really, if you manage to fill everything required correctly, by some miracle, it's not bad. There can be a lot of frustrations if you're missing something though.
jaclaz 4y ago
>Is it fast though? I’d rather fill out 10 forms and get a definitive answer in two weeks than fill out one form and wait up to a year for the definitive answer like in the UK. Of course not. It is more like 2-3 forms and no definitive answer (more probably a single, non definitive one) in 6 months time, then another couple forms and hopefully a definitive one in another 6-12 months. Seriously, there is not any "standard", some things are (or have become) incredibly (compared to previous Italian bureaucracy) easy and straightforward, some have become much worse than before.
- prmoustache 4y ago
  sounds pretty much like Spain :)
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detritus 4y ago
Curious to know what you're referring to. My partner's Italian and lives here in the UK with me precisely because of things like Italian bureaucracy. Passports are an interesting one - the loops we've needed to jump through for my daughter getting hers have been ludicrous and although we're 6 months in to the process, the end is not in sight. When my [unmarried] partner had to get her passport renewed last year, I had to go in to the consulate to vouch for her existence. Wut? Don't even get me started on setting up a business over there, which is a dream I've put off indefinitely precisely because it's so much easier to accomplish here in the UK. Oh, and taxes... . - ed Don't get me wrong, as much as she prefers living here, I'd prefer living over there!
- willyt 4y ago
  UK examples: A friend of mine had to wait 1.5 years for the paperwork to come through from the home office for his wife’s visa before she was allowed to move here. Dealing with utilities is a total pain in the arse e.g A new electricity connection takes 3 months to connect the wires from the street then another 3 months for a different organisation to come and install the meter. The meter installer fills out thier forms incorrectly and you are left with a huge bill for electricity that’s not been used (happening to me also happened to a friend last year). The only way to correct this is to physically get a new meter installed to replace the old one; another 3 month wait while batting away threats of court action for a huge power bill. Phone and Water are just as painful. No-one at any utility company has any idea what the proper procedure is for doing the paperwork. I’ve had problems dealing with electricity companies in the last houses I’ve lived in and problems with the water supplier in my last two office locations. Last time I checked there was a 3 month wait to renew a passport; no changes apart from another 10 years of validity. If you want to speak to anyone at the tax office you have to go on hold for 3-4 hours. The only other way to communicate with them is by writing a physical letter which they will never reply to. The tax credits department doesn’t speak to the income tax department even though they share the same addresses, website and bank account. You have to go on hold for hours to get information sent out from one department to be able to send the information straight back to the other one at the same address. Planning permission is an absolute shitshow, it’s meant to take max 2 months but regularly takes over a year. Edit: If you employ someone there are a whole bunch of complicated returns you have to file every month. You also have to find your employees a pension, even though one of the things you have to pay is employers national insurance which is already a pension. You can offload this to a payroll consultant for a monthly fee but it’s about 10% on top of the salary cost of someone on the average wage and they still phone you up and offload the weird corner case stuff back onto you. The only thing that’s easy here is setting up a company; super quick on companies house website. Everything else is super vague and badly organised.

by willyt 4y ago

Is it fast though? I’d rather fill out 10 forms and get a definitive answer in two weeks than fill out one form and wait up to a year for the definitive answer like in the UK.

bilekas 4y ago

Hmm, it depends really, if you manage to fill everything required correctly, by some miracle, it's not bad. There can be a lot of frustrations if you're missing something though.

jaclaz 4y ago

>Is it fast though? I’d rather fill out 10 forms and get a definitive answer in two weeks than fill out one form and wait up to a year for the definitive answer like in the UK. Of course not. It is more like 2-3 forms and no definitive answer (more probably a single, non definitive one) in 6 months time, then another couple forms and hopefully a definitive one in another 6-12 months. Seriously, there is not any "standard", some things are (or have become) incredibly (compared to previous Italian bureaucracy) easy and straightforward, some have become much worse than before.

prmoustache 4y ago
sounds pretty much like Spain :)

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detritus 4y ago

Curious to know what you're referring to. My partner's Italian and lives here in the UK with me precisely because of things like Italian bureaucracy. Passports are an interesting one - the loops we've needed to jump through for my daughter getting hers have been ludicrous and although we're 6 months in to the process, the end is not in sight. When my [unmarried] partner had to get her passport renewed last year, I had to go in to the consulate to vouch for her existence. Wut? Don't even get me started on setting up a business over there, which is a dream I've put off indefinitely precisely because it's so much easier to accomplish here in the UK. Oh, and taxes... . - ed Don't get me wrong, as much as she prefers living here, I'd prefer living over there!

willyt 4y ago
UK examples: A friend of mine had to wait 1.5 years for the paperwork to come through from the home office for his wife’s visa before she was allowed to move here. Dealing with utilities is a total pain in the arse e.g A new electricity connection takes 3 months to connect the wires from the street then another 3 months for a different organisation to come and install the meter. The meter installer fills out thier forms incorrectly and you are left with a huge bill for electricity that’s not been used (happening to me also happened to a friend last year). The only way to correct this is to physically get a new meter installed to replace the old one; another 3 month wait while batting away threats of court action for a huge power bill. Phone and Water are just as painful. No-one at any utility company has any idea what the proper procedure is for doing the paperwork. I’ve had problems dealing with electricity companies in the last houses I’ve lived in and problems with the water supplier in my last two office locations. Last time I checked there was a 3 month wait to renew a passport; no changes apart from another 10 years of validity. If you want to speak to anyone at the tax office you have to go on hold for 3-4 hours. The only other way to communicate with them is by writing a physical letter which they will never reply to. The tax credits department doesn’t speak to the income tax department even though they share the same addresses, website and bank account. You have to go on hold for hours to get information sent out from one department to be able to send the information straight back to the other one at the same address. Planning permission is an absolute shitshow, it’s meant to take max 2 months but regularly takes over a year. Edit: If you employ someone there are a whole bunch of complicated returns you have to file every month. You also have to find your employees a pension, even though one of the things you have to pay is employers national insurance which is already a pension. You can offload this to a payroll consultant for a monthly fee but it’s about 10% on top of the salary cost of someone on the average wage and they still phone you up and offload the weird corner case stuff back onto you. The only thing that’s easy here is setting up a company; super quick on companies house website. Everything else is super vague and badly organised.