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I think differences in politics are largely formed through a lack of knowledge; information overload limits access to other people's mindsets. Instead of seein

by HKH2 4y ago

I think differences in politics are largely formed through a lack of knowledge; information overload limits access to other people's mindsets. Instead of seeing the other as a black box that won't change and thus must be exterminated, which is a human thing, people can use AI to visualise their own cognitive dissonance. Some things are better off apolitical. For example, I don't want my psychotherapist to be political. Also, it is upon knowledge to explain why customs exist, or will AI never be able to identify what Chesterton's fences are for? Is culture necessarily partially ineffable?

nomel 4y ago
> I think differences in politics are largely formed through a lack of knowledge Knowledge doesn't make everyone want or value the same things. There's significant evidence that gene's play a role in a persons interests, desires, and even morality [1]. You're speaking of a Utopia that would require forced mental uniformity, requiring a perspective that there are no grey areas in life. I don't think this is compatible with the reality of humanity. > Is culture necessarily partially ineffable? My friend once said something like "Anything that's useful, we call technology. Anything that's not useful, but cute, we call culture". 1. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/202111/is-morality-genetic https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2021... (apologies, don't have have time for proper references)
- HKH2 4y ago
  > Knowledge doesn't make everyone want or value the same things. It doesn't, but if I understand why you do seemingly irrational things, I'll give you more respect. Tolerance is not acceptance. > There's significant evidence that gene's play a role in a persons interests, desires, and even morality [1]. Of course. I said 'largely formed' because I had that in mind. > You're speaking of a Utopia that would require forced mental uniformity, requiring a perspective that there are no grey areas in life. I don't think this is compatible with the reality of humanity. No. While some people want that, I think we should get there by choice. You are responsible for your own confusion. You can live in hell if you want to. I would like to understand those kinds of choices, but maybe we humans are irrational capricious creatures to the core, deceiving ourselves about the power of understanding. Regardless, knowledge, accelerated by AI, will push us to some conclusions as to what we are and what we are doing, but what we will do is on us. I do not believe disembodied AGI will ever be a reality, but it would definitely force a monoculture like the one you described.

by HKH2 4y ago

nomel 4y ago

> I think differences in politics are largely formed through a lack of knowledge Knowledge doesn't make everyone want or value the same things. There's significant evidence that gene's play a role in a persons interests, desires, and even morality [1]. You're speaking of a Utopia that would require forced mental uniformity, requiring a perspective that there are no grey areas in life. I don't think this is compatible with the reality of humanity. > Is culture necessarily partially ineffable? My friend once said something like "Anything that's useful, we call technology. Anything that's not useful, but cute, we call culture". 1. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/202111/is-morality-genetic https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/2021... (apologies, don't have have time for proper references)

HKH2 4y ago
> Knowledge doesn't make everyone want or value the same things. It doesn't, but if I understand why you do seemingly irrational things, I'll give you more respect. Tolerance is not acceptance. > There's significant evidence that gene's play a role in a persons interests, desires, and even morality [1]. Of course. I said 'largely formed' because I had that in mind. > You're speaking of a Utopia that would require forced mental uniformity, requiring a perspective that there are no grey areas in life. I don't think this is compatible with the reality of humanity. No. While some people want that, I think we should get there by choice. You are responsible for your own confusion. You can live in hell if you want to. I would like to understand those kinds of choices, but maybe we humans are irrational capricious creatures to the core, deceiving ourselves about the power of understanding. Regardless, knowledge, accelerated by AI, will push us to some conclusions as to what we are and what we are doing, but what we will do is on us. I do not believe disembodied AGI will ever be a reality, but it would definitely force a monoculture like the one you described.