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The big difference between the two that I noticed is that dynamic camp doesn't aggressively proselytize. And it doesn't shame infidels (it pities them, if anyth

by hbrn 4y ago

The big difference between the two that I noticed is that dynamic camp doesn't aggressively proselytize. And it doesn't shame infidels (it pities them, if anything).

int_19h 4y ago
Oh, it does. It just happened back when Python and Ruby were new and hot. These days, Rust is new and hot, and so ...
- hbrn 4y ago
  I do remember dumping on Java back in those days, not so much on static typing itself. Seems like those were mostly language wars: Python vs PHP, Python vs Java, Ruby vs PHP, etc. It might be just anecdotal, but I noticed people often say that writing in Ruby makes them feel happy. Static typing (or functional programming, or TDD) doesn't seem to make people happy. It makes them feel superior. Whether it truly makes them superior, or just taps into their insecurities is an open question.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    YMMV. I used to be very gung-ho about dynamic typing 10 years ago. Since then, my experience using it in a fairly large Python code base is that it doesn't make me happy, and the code patterns that make it workable tend to be very similar to how statically typed code would look anyway. Ruby specifically is a separate question IMO because it has a lot of convenience features that are kinda orthogonal to the whole typing debate. Crystal is a good example of how you can retain those in a statically typed language.
  - vidarh 4y ago
    As someone who was gung ho about static typing, what made me happy about Ruby was losing the aggressive type annotations, and the pain of having to change it all around, and C++ and Java were among the worst offenders. I spent a lot of time looking for statically typed alternatives that'd make me happy back then before I finally was convinced to try Ruby. These days more inferred typing in many of the static languages has lessened the gap, so the reason to hate on them has been reduced. I still would love better static analysis tools, including for Ruby, but at the same time the way I write code has changed drastically in ways that makes that harder (e.g. leveraging the dynamic features of Ruby more)

by hbrn 4y ago

The big difference between the two that I noticed is that dynamic camp doesn't aggressively proselytize. And it doesn't shame infidels (it pities them, if anything).

int_19h 4y ago

Oh, it does. It just happened back when Python and Ruby were new and hot. These days, Rust is new and hot, and so ...

hbrn 4y ago
I do remember dumping on Java back in those days, not so much on static typing itself. Seems like those were mostly language wars: Python vs PHP, Python vs Java, Ruby vs PHP, etc. It might be just anecdotal, but I noticed people often say that writing in Ruby makes them feel happy. Static typing (or functional programming, or TDD) doesn't seem to make people happy. It makes them feel superior. Whether it truly makes them superior, or just taps into their insecurities is an open question.
- int_19h 4y ago
  YMMV. I used to be very gung-ho about dynamic typing 10 years ago. Since then, my experience using it in a fairly large Python code base is that it doesn't make me happy, and the code patterns that make it workable tend to be very similar to how statically typed code would look anyway. Ruby specifically is a separate question IMO because it has a lot of convenience features that are kinda orthogonal to the whole typing debate. Crystal is a good example of how you can retain those in a statically typed language.
- vidarh 4y ago
  As someone who was gung ho about static typing, what made me happy about Ruby was losing the aggressive type annotations, and the pain of having to change it all around, and C++ and Java were among the worst offenders. I spent a lot of time looking for statically typed alternatives that'd make me happy back then before I finally was convinced to try Ruby. These days more inferred typing in many of the static languages has lessened the gap, so the reason to hate on them has been reduced. I still would love better static analysis tools, including for Ruby, but at the same time the way I write code has changed drastically in ways that makes that harder (e.g. leveraging the dynamic features of Ruby more)