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So one 1 out of 20 are getting let go. Looking around near 50 employee company I work for I easily see 2.5 employees I would let go just because they're near u

So one 1 out of 20 are getting let go. Looking around near 50 employee company I work for I easily see 2.5 employees I would let go just because they're near useless. Hell, I'd say it's at least 5. I'd say unless you've got a good manager, really good hiring, and are keeping close tabs on the technical people (just to make clear, I'm one of them those technical people) I figure you've at least got 1 our of 20 you should just be sacking on principle.

Aperocky 4y ago
Eventually you'll run out of bad ones to sack and then the that's when the good ones leave because they don't want to play the ladder game. You're left with middling who might have a hard time finding other jobs but could play the ladder game well enough - potentially with devastating consequence for health of the technical stack as more "features" get developed.
- sillysaurusx 4y ago
  In my experience you’re right that the best devs don’t care to play the ladder game, but they’re generally pretty okay at it. It’s not that much of a distraction from your regular work to think about “How can I help my manager look good to their manager?” which is all the ladder game is.
sillysaurusx 4y ago
This logic has a nice way of being used against you. I think the employees you feel are useless would sack you if they could. Focusing on productivity is of course the right metric, but the metric that gets used in practice is “Which of you helped advance your manager’s career?” After all, your manager is the one who decides who goes, and there’s no incentive to keep someone that does nothing for them over someone who helps them look good to the VP — which is who decides whether your manager goes. Same rule applies recursively.
sosodev 4y ago
You'll say this until you are the one let go. Companies are irrational and layoffs of this scale are not capable of targeting the poor performers.
- postalrat 4y ago
  At least you have actual skills to find a new job.
  - pm90 4y ago
    Well, yes and no. The skills one develops on the job and the skills one needs to actually perform well at a job are not really tested well by the standard big tech interview loop (startups can be innovative here, but it can go either way). Generally the competent folks reluctantly acquire the silly skills required to pass through the gatekeepers though.
charles_f 4y ago
Except that mass layoffs dont work that way. They're culling products and branches, not individuals

Aperocky 4y ago

Eventually you'll run out of bad ones to sack and then the that's when the good ones leave because they don't want to play the ladder game. You're left with middling who might have a hard time finding other jobs but could play the ladder game well enough - potentially with devastating consequence for health of the technical stack as more "features" get developed.

sillysaurusx 4y ago
In my experience you’re right that the best devs don’t care to play the ladder game, but they’re generally pretty okay at it. It’s not that much of a distraction from your regular work to think about “How can I help my manager look good to their manager?” which is all the ladder game is.

sillysaurusx 4y ago

This logic has a nice way of being used against you. I think the employees you feel are useless would sack you if they could. Focusing on productivity is of course the right metric, but the metric that gets used in practice is “Which of you helped advance your manager’s career?” After all, your manager is the one who decides who goes, and there’s no incentive to keep someone that does nothing for them over someone who helps them look good to the VP — which is who decides whether your manager goes. Same rule applies recursively.

sosodev 4y ago

You'll say this until you are the one let go. Companies are irrational and layoffs of this scale are not capable of targeting the poor performers.

postalrat 4y ago
At least you have actual skills to find a new job.
- pm90 4y ago
  Well, yes and no. The skills one develops on the job and the skills one needs to actually perform well at a job are not really tested well by the standard big tech interview loop (startups can be innovative here, but it can go either way). Generally the competent folks reluctantly acquire the silly skills required to pass through the gatekeepers though.

charles_f 4y ago

Except that mass layoffs dont work that way. They're culling products and branches, not individuals