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> seeming negligible external-facing impact on the core product In both technical and product axes Twitter has already deteriorated massively, possibly beyond

> seeming negligible external-facing impact on the core product In both technical and product axes Twitter has already deteriorated massively, possibly beyond repair and the company might not make it to 2024, so I wouldn't call that "negligible".

matusp 4y ago
In what regards has it deteriorated so much?
- deleted 4y ago
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- fullshark 4y ago
  Advertising revenue
phillipcarter 4y ago
> so I wouldn't call that "negligible". I think the mistake you're making here is assuming that your average tech CEO is paying attention to the same degree you are. They aren't. They don't have time to notice all the many little things that degraded already, they just saw that the site didn't go down a week later and moved on.
- etc-hosts 4y ago
  If he hires people, if he doesn't fire people, if he doesn't tweet, if he tweets that the flat earth people are out there fighting the woke mob, it doesn't matter, Musk will be hailed as a genius no matter what. Musk has enough money and influence to stress out his employees and userbase for decades.
hbn 4y ago
I've continued to use twitter daily since the Elon takeover. If I wasn't in the loop about that I wouldn't have noticed anything. I think early on I heard there was a 2FA outage? That was resolved fairly quickly. The only issue is dumb changes, like the "no linking to other platforms" rule that was announced and then rolled back within the day, or adding view counts that add no value. But none of that is technical issues.
- Apocryphon 4y ago
  Getting rid of their API so third party Twitter clients break was pretty big.
  - hbn 4y ago
    Copy-pasting my last comment on this: > I'm pretty sure breaking 3rd party clients was intentional. > Twitter had tightened the reigns on them years ago because it just cost them money to keep them alive. It makes sense that would be first on the chopping block when they're looking for cost-saving measures, and I figured it was inevitable regardless of the Elon takeover. I don't think that was technical ineptitude, but rather a cost-saving decision from the business.
BitwiseFool 4y ago
Call me ignorant but Twitter seems no different from what it was a year ago. There has been way more media attention and pearl clutching since Elon's takeover, but that hasn't translated to noticeable a difference in terms of usability and product.
- bagacrap 4y ago
  There have been some product changes in terms of moderation, those blue checkmarks, and impression count. I don't really blame Elon for trying new things. On the technical side I don't know what's changed. That said, I concur that Twitter is doomed. It was already not very profitable before advertisers started backing away, and Elon's tendency to "move fast and ignore regulations" won't serve him very well in the current climate of tightly regulated social media. Elon's piggy bank is no longer unlimited due to the revaluation of TSLA and the tendency for his huge sales to drive the price down even further.
- bentcorner 4y ago
  Twitter stopped working entirely for some 3rd party apps late last week. Dev communication looks extremely slim and the only comms has been a very vague tweet: "Twitter is enforcing its long-standing API rules. That may result in some apps not working."
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    But how is that relevant? Pulling the rug under third party apps is probably a bad move from Twitter, but everything seems to indicate that it was intentional and not just a breakage/outage caused by a shortage of staff.
    - estebank 4y ago
      Breaking SMS delivery, logins, increased number of 500 responses, failures in the recommendation engine, failures loading conversations and bugs galore, including displaying tweets of locked accounts you don't follow that someone you do follow replied to are some of the recent outages and bugs I can remember of the top of my head from the past 3 weeks.

matusp 4y ago

In what regards has it deteriorated so much?

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fullshark 4y ago
Advertising revenue

phillipcarter 4y ago

> so I wouldn't call that "negligible". I think the mistake you're making here is assuming that your average tech CEO is paying attention to the same degree you are. They aren't. They don't have time to notice all the many little things that degraded already, they just saw that the site didn't go down a week later and moved on.

etc-hosts 4y ago
If he hires people, if he doesn't fire people, if he doesn't tweet, if he tweets that the flat earth people are out there fighting the woke mob, it doesn't matter, Musk will be hailed as a genius no matter what. Musk has enough money and influence to stress out his employees and userbase for decades.

hbn 4y ago

I've continued to use twitter daily since the Elon takeover. If I wasn't in the loop about that I wouldn't have noticed anything. I think early on I heard there was a 2FA outage? That was resolved fairly quickly. The only issue is dumb changes, like the "no linking to other platforms" rule that was announced and then rolled back within the day, or adding view counts that add no value. But none of that is technical issues.

Apocryphon 4y ago
Getting rid of their API so third party Twitter clients break was pretty big.
- hbn 4y ago
  Copy-pasting my last comment on this: > I'm pretty sure breaking 3rd party clients was intentional. > Twitter had tightened the reigns on them years ago because it just cost them money to keep them alive. It makes sense that would be first on the chopping block when they're looking for cost-saving measures, and I figured it was inevitable regardless of the Elon takeover. I don't think that was technical ineptitude, but rather a cost-saving decision from the business.

BitwiseFool 4y ago

Call me ignorant but Twitter seems no different from what it was a year ago. There has been way more media attention and pearl clutching since Elon's takeover, but that hasn't translated to noticeable a difference in terms of usability and product.

bagacrap 4y ago
There have been some product changes in terms of moderation, those blue checkmarks, and impression count. I don't really blame Elon for trying new things. On the technical side I don't know what's changed. That said, I concur that Twitter is doomed. It was already not very profitable before advertisers started backing away, and Elon's tendency to "move fast and ignore regulations" won't serve him very well in the current climate of tightly regulated social media. Elon's piggy bank is no longer unlimited due to the revaluation of TSLA and the tendency for his huge sales to drive the price down even further.
bentcorner 4y ago
Twitter stopped working entirely for some 3rd party apps late last week. Dev communication looks extremely slim and the only comms has been a very vague tweet: "Twitter is enforcing its long-standing API rules. That may result in some apps not working."
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  But how is that relevant? Pulling the rug under third party apps is probably a bad move from Twitter, but everything seems to indicate that it was intentional and not just a breakage/outage caused by a shortage of staff.
  - estebank 4y ago
    Breaking SMS delivery, logins, increased number of 500 responses, failures in the recommendation engine, failures loading conversations and bugs galore, including displaying tweets of locked accounts you don't follow that someone you do follow replied to are some of the recent outages and bugs I can remember of the top of my head from the past 3 weeks.