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Did Democrats also just shit on railroad employees? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_

Did Democrats also just shit on railroad employees? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_la... I wonder if the generalized statement is that politicians with investments and beholden to lobbyists never pass up opportunities (but i don't disagree with your sentiment).

dontlaugh 4y ago
Yes, both US parties are right wing. The only difference today is that the Democrats might feign alliance with unions on occasion.
- syzarian 4y ago
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syzarian 4y ago
Well, loosely speaking: Democrats sometimes shit on employees but do support some measures to help workers. Republicans never support measures to help workers.
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
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  - llbeansandrice 4y ago
    The Democrats you are referencing have about as much in common with the modern Democratic party as cars and carpenters.
    - jjtheblunt 4y ago
      yeah, i said that in the comment you responded to, second sentence.
  - wilg 4y ago
    In that case, here's a simpler version for you that eliminates historical complexity: The left sometimes shits on employees but does support some measures to help workers. The right never supports measures to help workers.
    - jjtheblunt 4y ago
      I do know what you mean, of course. I even say so in my second sentence. I don't know data on how the experience of small businesses are, with respect to political parties. Do worker protections become beneficial to small business employers and employees? Often the discussions center around large employers and exploitation of workers, and protection (by Democrats) of those workers and (by Republicans) of employers.
  - VincentEvans 4y ago
    Couldn’t think of anything at all from the events of this or even the last century?
  - standardUser 4y ago
    "The Democrats were pro slavery," Who exactly do you think is fooled by that kind of toddler logic?
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      Lots of republicans are still fooled by this and still claim that they are the party of lincoln, as if lincoln would have gone through the horseshit of the civil war and eventual decision to "free" the slaves and then 100 years later vote against the civil rights act, and thing republicans actually did.
    - jjtheblunt 4y ago
      There is no shortage of factual history articles about that period, which don't rely on your laughable "toddler logic" but instead on actually checking facts, and i clearly said in my comment that the terms shifted in applicability over time. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=democratic+party+slavery&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=democratic+party+slavery&ia... that query shows historical articles including from sources outside the united states, from widely varying perspectives, and without therefore axes to grind. It's plainly interesting, and, yes, inconvenient and frankly gross.
- nashashmi 4y ago
  The republicans do support measures to help workers if it helps the employer find more workers. It's a capitalist/socialist mantra to get everyone working and punish those who don't work.
  - syzarian 4y ago
    The act of working is not what helps people live a better life. The act of working in humane conditions for human wages and benefits does. Paraphrasing Mencken: A Republican is someone with the haunting fear that a poor person somewhere is benefiting “unjustly”.
    - encryptluks2 4y ago
      It is projection 100%. After all they are the Gaslight Obstruct and Project party.
    - nashashmi 4y ago
      I doubt any policies are fundamentally for better working conditions. The models of capitalism and socialism do not support this.
      - syzarian 4y ago
        OSHA was set up to ensure better working conditions. Regulations regarding wage theft, mandatory paid time off, limit to the number of hours one can work in a week, etc. are all made for better working conditions. You appear to be know very little about the history of labor laws and their purpose.
gumby 4y ago
I feel like they did but TBF they wouldn't have had the votes without some unpleasant compromises, and some compromise was better than no agreement at all. And the good news is they were only a few votes short, which means the dems in general were on labor's side. Let's hope (and I say this as an employer) we get further advancements in workers' rights soon. Things are way out of whack.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  It's arguable we would be in a better place if democrats didn't compromise and take that deal. Maybe our economy coming to a screeching halt for a bit is what it takes to show idiots that we should be supporting workers who make our insane GDP possible, instead of barely keeping up the status quo that does not benefit those rail workers.
  - gumby 4y ago
    Making the economy come to a screeching halt is what the debt ceiling morons want to do. There would be tons of collateral damage with either case, most of which would fall on the poorest people the most (e.g. sudden spike in food or fuel costs)
throwayyy479087 4y ago
Yes

dontlaugh 4y ago

Yes, both US parties are right wing. The only difference today is that the Democrats might feign alliance with unions on occasion.

syzarian 4y ago
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syzarian 4y ago

Well, loosely speaking: Democrats sometimes shit on employees but do support some measures to help workers. Republicans never support measures to help workers.

jjtheblunt 4y ago
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- llbeansandrice 4y ago
  The Democrats you are referencing have about as much in common with the modern Democratic party as cars and carpenters.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    yeah, i said that in the comment you responded to, second sentence.
- wilg 4y ago
  In that case, here's a simpler version for you that eliminates historical complexity: The left sometimes shits on employees but does support some measures to help workers. The right never supports measures to help workers.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    I do know what you mean, of course. I even say so in my second sentence. I don't know data on how the experience of small businesses are, with respect to political parties. Do worker protections become beneficial to small business employers and employees? Often the discussions center around large employers and exploitation of workers, and protection (by Democrats) of those workers and (by Republicans) of employers.
- VincentEvans 4y ago
  Couldn’t think of anything at all from the events of this or even the last century?
- standardUser 4y ago
  "The Democrats were pro slavery," Who exactly do you think is fooled by that kind of toddler logic?
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    Lots of republicans are still fooled by this and still claim that they are the party of lincoln, as if lincoln would have gone through the horseshit of the civil war and eventual decision to "free" the slaves and then 100 years later vote against the civil rights act, and thing republicans actually did.
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    There is no shortage of factual history articles about that period, which don't rely on your laughable "toddler logic" but instead on actually checking facts, and i clearly said in my comment that the terms shifted in applicability over time. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=democratic+party+slavery&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=democratic+party+slavery&ia... that query shows historical articles including from sources outside the united states, from widely varying perspectives, and without therefore axes to grind. It's plainly interesting, and, yes, inconvenient and frankly gross.
nashashmi 4y ago
The republicans do support measures to help workers if it helps the employer find more workers. It's a capitalist/socialist mantra to get everyone working and punish those who don't work.
- syzarian 4y ago
  The act of working is not what helps people live a better life. The act of working in humane conditions for human wages and benefits does. Paraphrasing Mencken: A Republican is someone with the haunting fear that a poor person somewhere is benefiting “unjustly”.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    It is projection 100%. After all they are the Gaslight Obstruct and Project party.
  - nashashmi 4y ago
    I doubt any policies are fundamentally for better working conditions. The models of capitalism and socialism do not support this.
    - syzarian 4y ago
      OSHA was set up to ensure better working conditions. Regulations regarding wage theft, mandatory paid time off, limit to the number of hours one can work in a week, etc. are all made for better working conditions. You appear to be know very little about the history of labor laws and their purpose.

gumby 4y ago

I feel like they did but TBF they wouldn't have had the votes without some unpleasant compromises, and some compromise was better than no agreement at all. And the good news is they were only a few votes short, which means the dems in general were on labor's side. Let's hope (and I say this as an employer) we get further advancements in workers' rights soon. Things are way out of whack.

mrguyorama 4y ago
It's arguable we would be in a better place if democrats didn't compromise and take that deal. Maybe our economy coming to a screeching halt for a bit is what it takes to show idiots that we should be supporting workers who make our insane GDP possible, instead of barely keeping up the status quo that does not benefit those rail workers.
- gumby 4y ago
  Making the economy come to a screeching halt is what the debt ceiling morons want to do. There would be tons of collateral damage with either case, most of which would fall on the poorest people the most (e.g. sudden spike in food or fuel costs)

throwayyy479087 4y ago

Yes