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> The company had 221,000 full-time employees, including 122,000 in the United States and 99,000 internationally, as of June 30, according to filings. The size

> The company had 221,000 full-time employees, including 122,000 in the United States and 99,000 internationally, as of June 30, according to filings. The size of these organizations always catch me off guard. 11,000 is a huge number but 221,000 is even more staggering!

mgkimsal 4y ago
Now add in part time workers, contractors, and contracted-out workers like cleaning staff that are still required, just not counted as FTE. Would be interested to know those numbers too, and... are any of them being affected as well (assuming so, but it'll be accounted for in various other ledgers).
ethbr0 4y ago
Historically (not sure if still true), Microsoft had top tier profit:employee.
- shagie 4y ago
  They're likely still up there. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+Apple+vs+Google+vs+Netflix&assumption=%7B%22C%22%2C+%22Microsoft%22%7D+-%3E+%7B%22Financial%22%7D https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+Apple+vs+G... They're not the best best, but $919k/employee/year is impressive. Google is at $1.5M/employee. Apple is $2.4M/employee and Netflix is $2.7M/employee. (and to the dead comment reply claiming $10M/employee for Musk companies) Tesla: $158,613 https://csimarket.com/stocks/TSLA-Income-per-Employee.html https://csimarket.com/stocks/TSLA-Income-per-Employee.html SpaceX: $210,526 https://www.zippia.com/space-exploration-technologies-careers-39035/revenue/ https://www.zippia.com/space-exploration-technologies-career... (though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX would put it even lower) Starlink: (I can't find any reliable 'how many employees'; crunchbase has it at "1-10")
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  - lsh123 4y ago
    Numbers here are significantly different: https://moneytransfers.com/news/content/meta-platforms-profit-per-employee-of-497338-highest-among-the-big-techs https://moneytransfers.com/news/content/meta-platforms-profi...
    - samspenc 4y ago
      So this looks like true profit-per-employee ratio, the OP is revenue-per-employee ratio. I would expect companies to rank differently based on how profitable they are vs how much total money they are making. E.g. one big outlier is Amazon, huge revenue income from retail, but close to zero profits.
  - samspenc 4y ago
    Looks like for the tech companies this is revenue per employee, and not profit per employee right? Then for Tesla, it would be $754K in an apples-to-apples comparison. I can't find any info for SpaceX though. Meta is at $1.64M per employee btw, roughly similar to Google. Didn't realize Apple and Netflix ratios were so much higher. Source for Tesla and Meta: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+meta+vs+tesla https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+meta+vs+te...
    - ensignavenger 4y ago
      That is revenue/employee, not profit/employee.
    - shagie 4y ago
      Good catch. Tesla: number of employees: 99,290 ( https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/number-... ) revenue: $74.863B https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/revenue https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/revenue And that gives us $753k/employee - in agreement with your number. --- SpaceX: Number of employees: 12,000 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX ) Revenue: $2 billion ( https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/spacex-revenue-2-billion-from-rockets-last-year-jefferies-estimate.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/spacex-revenue-2-billion-fro... (estimate) ) And that brings us: $166k/employee.
  - inawarminister 4y ago
    I think Starlink is still part of SpaceX for now, so it's already counted there.
o_m 4y ago
Between 2020 and 2021 they grew by 40k. 11k doesn't seem that much considering.

mgkimsal 4y ago

Now add in part time workers, contractors, and contracted-out workers like cleaning staff that are still required, just not counted as FTE. Would be interested to know those numbers too, and... are any of them being affected as well (assuming so, but it'll be accounted for in various other ledgers).

ethbr0 4y ago

Historically (not sure if still true), Microsoft had top tier profit:employee.

shagie 4y ago
They're likely still up there. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+Apple+vs+Google+vs+Netflix&assumption=%7B%22C%22%2C+%22Microsoft%22%7D+-%3E+%7B%22Financial%22%7D https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+Apple+vs+G... They're not the best best, but $919k/employee/year is impressive. Google is at $1.5M/employee. Apple is $2.4M/employee and Netflix is $2.7M/employee. (and to the dead comment reply claiming $10M/employee for Musk companies) Tesla: $158,613 https://csimarket.com/stocks/TSLA-Income-per-Employee.html https://csimarket.com/stocks/TSLA-Income-per-Employee.html SpaceX: $210,526 https://www.zippia.com/space-exploration-technologies-careers-39035/revenue/ https://www.zippia.com/space-exploration-technologies-career... (though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX would put it even lower) Starlink: (I can't find any reliable 'how many employees'; crunchbase has it at "1-10")
- vt85 4y ago
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- lsh123 4y ago
  Numbers here are significantly different: https://moneytransfers.com/news/content/meta-platforms-profit-per-employee-of-497338-highest-among-the-big-techs https://moneytransfers.com/news/content/meta-platforms-profi...
  - samspenc 4y ago
    So this looks like true profit-per-employee ratio, the OP is revenue-per-employee ratio. I would expect companies to rank differently based on how profitable they are vs how much total money they are making. E.g. one big outlier is Amazon, huge revenue income from retail, but close to zero profits.
- samspenc 4y ago
  Looks like for the tech companies this is revenue per employee, and not profit per employee right? Then for Tesla, it would be $754K in an apples-to-apples comparison. I can't find any info for SpaceX though. Meta is at $1.64M per employee btw, roughly similar to Google. Didn't realize Apple and Netflix ratios were so much higher. Source for Tesla and Meta: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+meta+vs+tesla https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=Microsoft+vs+meta+vs+te...
  - ensignavenger 4y ago
    That is revenue/employee, not profit/employee.
  - shagie 4y ago
    Good catch. Tesla: number of employees: 99,290 ( https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/number-of-employees https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/number-... ) revenue: $74.863B https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/revenue https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/TSLA/tesla/revenue And that gives us $753k/employee - in agreement with your number. --- SpaceX: Number of employees: 12,000 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX ) Revenue: $2 billion ( https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/spacex-revenue-2-billion-from-rockets-last-year-jefferies-estimate.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/20/spacex-revenue-2-billion-fro... (estimate) ) And that brings us: $166k/employee.
- inawarminister 4y ago
  I think Starlink is still part of SpaceX for now, so it's already counted there.

o_m 4y ago

Between 2020 and 2021 they grew by 40k. 11k doesn't seem that much considering.