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I have an M1 mini and an M1 Pro 14”, both with 16GB. I upgraded both to Ventura 13.1 and have really had zero issues with a variety of hardware setups. The sof

I have an M1 mini and an M1 Pro 14”, both with 16GB. I upgraded both to Ventura 13.1 and have really had zero issues with a variety of hardware setups. The software _design_ however… yes, Apple is sliding. The new Settings is a mess. It’s so disorienting, even when I put aside the fact that I had used the old, NeXT-derived one for 20 years. You just can’t find anything without search, which adds steps. There is a relative lack of attention to polish, discoverability, and charm. It’s all just made to be slick and shiny now.

scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
The settings window in MacOS needed to evolve IMHO. Just like the old disgusting confusing Windows settings/profilers/doodads, it worked only for old Mac power users. When the young audience is coming from iOS, MacOS has to satisfy what they’re used to. And Apple needs to stay consistent to not become like Windows. As I age and switch constantly between OSes and devices for work, search has increasingly become my primary way of finding settings and whatnot. The part of my brain that remembers things spacially just doesn’t bother anymore.
- incanus77 4y ago
  Yeah, I can see this. However, I’ve been on iOS from the start (as a developer) and there is not a lot of sense to why some settings are organized the way that they are. - “General” is a trash fire of hodgepodge - “Home Screen” & “Wallpaper” are separate top-levels In general, the top level items are grouped by task, but the tasks aren’t labeled but instead implied: - Radio signals (Airplane Mode, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) - Noise & distractions (Notifications, Sounds, Focus, Screen Time) - Input, output, and appearance (General, Control Center, Display, … Touch ID, …) - Purchasing (App Store, Wallet & Apple Pay) - Apple apps (except for the first, Passwords)… Mail, Contacts, Calendar, … - Apple apps with media (Music, TV, Photos, …) - All the other apps This is on iOS. Is it too much to ask for some commitment to naming of these sections?
  - scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
    Oh yeah agreed, hence my approach with search taking over. Who has the time to be pointing around ever changing menus. (Which fails of course when what you’re looking for can’t be easily named to search.) But for a corporation making these decisions, I would venture that the questions around how iOS should do it better are a separate concern from this merging the iOS way into the Mac way.
- qwytw 4y ago
  The old setting app was nowhere near the mess Windows settings apps are. And I'm not quite sure what's so complicated about the old settings for iOS users? It is way more non power users friendly than the old windows control panel and imho actually more simple and easier to use than iOS settings (where I find it impossible to find anything without search and search doesn't even work that great there..)

scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago

The settings window in MacOS needed to evolve IMHO. Just like the old disgusting confusing Windows settings/profilers/doodads, it worked only for old Mac power users. When the young audience is coming from iOS, MacOS has to satisfy what they’re used to. And Apple needs to stay consistent to not become like Windows. As I age and switch constantly between OSes and devices for work, search has increasingly become my primary way of finding settings and whatnot. The part of my brain that remembers things spacially just doesn’t bother anymore.

incanus77 4y ago
Yeah, I can see this. However, I’ve been on iOS from the start (as a developer) and there is not a lot of sense to why some settings are organized the way that they are. - “General” is a trash fire of hodgepodge - “Home Screen” & “Wallpaper” are separate top-levels In general, the top level items are grouped by task, but the tasks aren’t labeled but instead implied: - Radio signals (Airplane Mode, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth) - Noise & distractions (Notifications, Sounds, Focus, Screen Time) - Input, output, and appearance (General, Control Center, Display, … Touch ID, …) - Purchasing (App Store, Wallet & Apple Pay) - Apple apps (except for the first, Passwords)… Mail, Contacts, Calendar, … - Apple apps with media (Music, TV, Photos, …) - All the other apps This is on iOS. Is it too much to ask for some commitment to naming of these sections?
- scyzoryk_xyz 4y ago
  Oh yeah agreed, hence my approach with search taking over. Who has the time to be pointing around ever changing menus. (Which fails of course when what you’re looking for can’t be easily named to search.) But for a corporation making these decisions, I would venture that the questions around how iOS should do it better are a separate concern from this merging the iOS way into the Mac way.
qwytw 4y ago
The old setting app was nowhere near the mess Windows settings apps are. And I'm not quite sure what's so complicated about the old settings for iOS users? It is way more non power users friendly than the old windows control panel and imho actually more simple and easier to use than iOS settings (where I find it impossible to find anything without search and search doesn't even work that great there..)