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> This is the brutality of war You're 100% wrong here. This is not the brutality of war but the brutality of Russia. If the main goal is to protect the ethnic

> This is the brutality of war You're 100% wrong here. This is not the brutality of war but the brutality of Russia. If the main goal is to protect the ethnic Russians of Donbas, why fire missiles at Lvov? Why try to send tanks into Kiev? Why capture Kherson? You know why? Because protecting Donbas is not the goal! It was a paper-thin excuse for some non-sense power politics and territorial expansion. I already answered what Russia should have done. Russia claims "diplomacy has failed" and it's so paper thin. Even the US went before the UN in the case of Iraq. Russia did not go to the UN in this case. Their news programs (which I watch) will tell you they did, and their ambassador probably put forth some slapdash resolution, but did they take it seriously? No. Did they raise legitimate concerns and act like a partner interested in resolving a problem, as opposed to someone looking to escalate a problem into an excuse? No. They accuse Zelensky of being a drug-addicted fascist. Have you seen him? Have you seen Putin? Did you not see the anger and hatred in Putin's face on Feb 24? I did. I was shocked by it. I'd never seen his face so contorted. And this wasn't some propaganda show that took a clip out of context, I watched his whole speech on Russia's channel one. I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. Don't you have better things to do? I do, and I'm going to go see to them. Good day, sir.

zmgsabst 4y ago
> Even the US went before the UN in the case of Iraq. …and then invaded unilaterally, anyway. In violation of UN laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War > You're 100% wrong here. This is not the brutality of war but the brutality of Russia. Look up what the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We literally droned people trying to save people we’d droned in so-called “double taps”. We standardized that practice: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26296941 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26296941 > Did they raise legitimate concerns and act like a partner interested in resolving a problem, as opposed to someone looking to escalate a problem into an excuse? They spent a decade trying to work with countries like France and Germany to enact the Minsk accords — which those countries promised to guarantee. Did those NATO countries act like a partner interested in resolving a problem? — did they even do what they’d promised in that treaty? > Have you seen him? Have you seen Putin? Did you not see the anger and hatred in Putin's face on Feb 24? Yes — Putin’s speeches have been thoughtful and considered, explaining their reasons. Especially compared to the vapid virtue signaling from Ukraine and NATO. > I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. This is a bad faith ad hominem because you’re uncomfortable answering the questions of someone who disagrees with you. That’s a sign you don’t have good support for your beliefs — notice how you’re bothered but I’m not?

zmgsabst 4y ago

> Even the US went before the UN in the case of Iraq. …and then invaded unilaterally, anyway. In violation of UN laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_the_Iraq_War > You're 100% wrong here. This is not the brutality of war but the brutality of Russia. Look up what the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We literally droned people trying to save people we’d droned in so-called “double taps”. We standardized that practice: https://www.jstor.org/stable/26296941 https://www.jstor.org/stable/26296941 > Did they raise legitimate concerns and act like a partner interested in resolving a problem, as opposed to someone looking to escalate a problem into an excuse? They spent a decade trying to work with countries like France and Germany to enact the Minsk accords — which those countries promised to guarantee. Did those NATO countries act like a partner interested in resolving a problem? — did they even do what they’d promised in that treaty? > Have you seen him? Have you seen Putin? Did you not see the anger and hatred in Putin's face on Feb 24? Yes — Putin’s speeches have been thoughtful and considered, explaining their reasons. Especially compared to the vapid virtue signaling from Ukraine and NATO. > I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. This is a bad faith ad hominem because you’re uncomfortable answering the questions of someone who disagrees with you. That’s a sign you don’t have good support for your beliefs — notice how you’re bothered but I’m not?