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I’ll never be overly critical of anyone’s computing choices, but this just seems like the worst of both worlds to me unless you specifically want to tinker with

by cpsns 4y ago

I’ll never be overly critical of anyone’s computing choices, but this just seems like the worst of both worlds to me unless you specifically want to tinker with Apple-ARM Linux. Why not Linux on much better supported hardware from Lenovo or Dell? It just doesn’t make sense to me to buy such an expensive computer only to remove a core part of the package, Mac OS.

tgma 4y ago
> Why not Linux on much better supported hardware from Lenovo or Dell? Specific Intel laptops aside, something doesn’t work for each of them either. These days sleep is a big issue with Linux on modern Intel laptops due to Windows Modern Standby. All in all, characterizing Asahi Linux as poorly supported is probably just based on some expectation that does not necessarily match reality. It runs very well and GPU is about the only thing that is missing. Plus, Linux on Macs has always had the advantage of having a big community focused on solving very standardized hardware issues. Once they work they work for everyone out of the box.
hirako2000 4y ago
Because Lenovo, Dell don't make laptops as sleek as Apple's I still ditched Apple though, I don't regret having traded battery life for compatibility. Arm64 remains a pain over 2 years later and for many years to come.
- cpsns 4y ago
  How much does sleekness actually matter day to day? Both vendors offer very nice hardware these days, it’s not the bad days mid-00s anymore.
JimBlackwood 4y ago
I think you’d be surprised! I have a Dell Workstation from work (Specifically a Linux supported one, whatever that means) using linux and my personal Macbook Air M1 is running Asahi Linux. I really ran into no issues, the experience was almost scarily smooth. Everything just works. Sleep is definitely worse than on MacOS but it’s better than my Dell. I can’t name a single thing that is not equally bad or worse on the Dell.
- cpsns 4y ago
  Fair enough, I wasn’t aware they’d made so much progress. I was under the impression it was still a proof of concept and people were glossing over a lot of issues. I guess that’s the benefit of only having to target a very small amount of hardware, it saves time for improving other things. I remember preferring Linux on PPC to Linux on intel laptops years ago. Apple PPC laptops tended to “just work” with Linux in my experience.

by cpsns 4y ago

tgma 4y ago

> Why not Linux on much better supported hardware from Lenovo or Dell? Specific Intel laptops aside, something doesn’t work for each of them either. These days sleep is a big issue with Linux on modern Intel laptops due to Windows Modern Standby. All in all, characterizing Asahi Linux as poorly supported is probably just based on some expectation that does not necessarily match reality. It runs very well and GPU is about the only thing that is missing. Plus, Linux on Macs has always had the advantage of having a big community focused on solving very standardized hardware issues. Once they work they work for everyone out of the box.

hirako2000 4y ago

Because Lenovo, Dell don't make laptops as sleek as Apple's I still ditched Apple though, I don't regret having traded battery life for compatibility. Arm64 remains a pain over 2 years later and for many years to come.

cpsns 4y ago
How much does sleekness actually matter day to day? Both vendors offer very nice hardware these days, it’s not the bad days mid-00s anymore.

JimBlackwood 4y ago

I think you’d be surprised! I have a Dell Workstation from work (Specifically a Linux supported one, whatever that means) using linux and my personal Macbook Air M1 is running Asahi Linux. I really ran into no issues, the experience was almost scarily smooth. Everything just works. Sleep is definitely worse than on MacOS but it’s better than my Dell. I can’t name a single thing that is not equally bad or worse on the Dell.

cpsns 4y ago
Fair enough, I wasn’t aware they’d made so much progress. I was under the impression it was still a proof of concept and people were glossing over a lot of issues. I guess that’s the benefit of only having to target a very small amount of hardware, it saves time for improving other things. I remember preferring Linux on PPC to Linux on intel laptops years ago. Apple PPC laptops tended to “just work” with Linux in my experience.