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On the plus side, with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently, there's really no compelling need to upgrade the internal storage. You coul

On the plus side, with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently, there's really no compelling need to upgrade the internal storage. You could attach an external 1TB (or bigger!) NVMe SSD and you should be able to install macOS on that. You could just use the internal SSD as an extra storage drive. AFAIK, you're not required to use the internal SSD at all.

isolli 4y ago
Is it realistic to have an external drive for photos that integrates seamlessly with the native Photos app?
- coder543 4y ago
  If macOS is installed on it, Photos won’t even think of it as an external drive. However, yes, you can: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201517 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201517
  - isolli 4y ago
    Oh, I see. I thought of MacOS installed on the internal drive, supported by an external drive for extra storage. Thanks.
    - coder543 4y ago
      Photos would work that way too, as shown in the help article I linked.
  - jbverschoor 4y ago
    Big question for me is - how will it behave when you also use icloud photos as well? And what if it's an encrypted disk? I'm asking because of the following: Let's say your laptop is 1TB, but everything except photos and for example dropbox is under 512gb. If you then need to restore, your new laptop has to be able to contain the full restore (1TB, or whatever is used). This also means you can't just run to the store an get a standard model (instead of built-to-order) and restore, unless you buy something that has enough storage. Having multiple apfs volumes helps here, and I'd love to have all cloud storage off of my main one.
    - coder543 4y ago
      I’m not recommending any of this for laptop users, at all. If the external drive won’t be connected 100% of the time, there are all sorts of headaches that can occur because Apple doesn’t really design their software to handle intermittently available disks, in my experience, except (for obvious reasons) for Time Machine.
      - memco 4y ago
        Even Time Machine has issues with intermittently available disks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33762254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33762254.
- johnvanommen 4y ago
  I have a 1TB SSD connected to my Mac Mini M1 via USB3 and the speed is great. I have no complaints. It was about $80 from Amazon.
  - lowercased 4y ago
    similar here - 2tb. partitioned it to 2 1tb drives - one as time machine backup for internal, and the other for 'extra' stuff.
- chrislund 4y ago
  I've had my 2.4 TB Photos library on external solid-state storage for six years now with no issues. Four years were via a laptop and so the drive was only connected when needed (to import photos into it or to back it up). The remaining two have been with it permanently tethered to a Mac mini. Of note is that I don't use iCloud Photos, though. Not sure how macOS would handle things if I did. If you had it always connected I bet it'd be seamless. If not, probably There Be Dragons. IIRC back in the days when I didn't have my Photos drive always connected, macOS would occasionally instantiate a fresh Photos library in ~/Pictures on the internal drive for Photo Stream (which I have turned on) photos.
luxoramonrising 4y ago
External NVMe?
- coder543 4y ago
  Yes. You can buy an NVMe SSD and put it into an external thunderbolt enclosure. Here is one random $115 option for a thunderbolt external NVMe enclosure with seemingly good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB74BQVN https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB74BQVN Realistically, you probably don't even need a thunderbolt enclosure to have a good experience with an external Apple Photos library, but this option is still way cheaper than the prices Apple charges.
  - jbverschoor 4y ago
    I was really looking forward to thunderbolt accessoires, until I saw the prices. An external bay for a GPU (just a piece of junk metal!!) was over $400 when I was looking at it. At this point I don't need it, and I prefer USB, because I don't like the idea of hot swapping something directly on the PCI bus
  - luxoramonrising 4y ago
    Wouldn't it bottleneck on usb. I thought the entire point of nvme was that it puts solid state storage on pcie lane.
    - coder543 4y ago
      No, it wouldn't. Thunderbolt versions 3 and 4 are giving you 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0 on an external connector. You can easily get 3GB/s from an NVMe SSD in a Thunderbolt enclosure, which is the same performance as putting a PCIe 3.0 SSD into your computer. We don't yet know how fast the SSDs are in the new Mac mini, but the M1 Mac mini was using ~3GB/s SSDs, which is the same speed you get from PCIe 3.0, and realistically.. that's plenty fast for this discussion regardless.
wil421 4y ago
Just have a NAS serve the files. I keep about 1/2 a 1TB collection of personal pictures and videos. When I add new folders for an event I rsync them to by NAS. If I need to I will rsync folders to my windows machine for editing (have a new 16 core 7950x I’m playing with).
hollerith 4y ago
>with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently When I owned a Mac mini it moved all the time: I took it on the bus with me to and from my girlfriend's house 100s of times. (Although it died faster than it would have if I had left it in one place, it did last almost 9 years.)
- coder543 4y ago
  Obviously using an external drive as your boot drive might not be the best idea in that situation, but that situation does not sound fun at all.
  - hollerith 4y ago
    Commuting by bus in not particularly fun (I assume that that is what you mean, though I'm not sure) but it wouldn't've been any more fun with a Macbook Air than a Mac mini: they weigh about the same, but if I had carried an Air I would have had to carry a charger or buy a second charger to keep at the girlfriend's house. And of course the Air costs more (even after accounting for the cost of the extra monitor, keyboard and mouse I kept at her house).

isolli 4y ago

Is it realistic to have an external drive for photos that integrates seamlessly with the native Photos app?

coder543 4y ago
If macOS is installed on it, Photos won’t even think of it as an external drive. However, yes, you can: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201517 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201517
- isolli 4y ago
  Oh, I see. I thought of MacOS installed on the internal drive, supported by an external drive for extra storage. Thanks.
  - coder543 4y ago
    Photos would work that way too, as shown in the help article I linked.
- jbverschoor 4y ago
  Big question for me is - how will it behave when you also use icloud photos as well? And what if it's an encrypted disk? I'm asking because of the following: Let's say your laptop is 1TB, but everything except photos and for example dropbox is under 512gb. If you then need to restore, your new laptop has to be able to contain the full restore (1TB, or whatever is used). This also means you can't just run to the store an get a standard model (instead of built-to-order) and restore, unless you buy something that has enough storage. Having multiple apfs volumes helps here, and I'd love to have all cloud storage off of my main one.
  - coder543 4y ago
    I’m not recommending any of this for laptop users, at all. If the external drive won’t be connected 100% of the time, there are all sorts of headaches that can occur because Apple doesn’t really design their software to handle intermittently available disks, in my experience, except (for obvious reasons) for Time Machine.
    - memco 4y ago
      Even Time Machine has issues with intermittently available disks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33762254 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33762254.
johnvanommen 4y ago
I have a 1TB SSD connected to my Mac Mini M1 via USB3 and the speed is great. I have no complaints. It was about $80 from Amazon.
- lowercased 4y ago
  similar here - 2tb. partitioned it to 2 1tb drives - one as time machine backup for internal, and the other for 'extra' stuff.
chrislund 4y ago
I've had my 2.4 TB Photos library on external solid-state storage for six years now with no issues. Four years were via a laptop and so the drive was only connected when needed (to import photos into it or to back it up). The remaining two have been with it permanently tethered to a Mac mini. Of note is that I don't use iCloud Photos, though. Not sure how macOS would handle things if I did. If you had it always connected I bet it'd be seamless. If not, probably There Be Dragons. IIRC back in the days when I didn't have my Photos drive always connected, macOS would occasionally instantiate a fresh Photos library in ~/Pictures on the internal drive for Photo Stream (which I have turned on) photos.

luxoramonrising 4y ago

External NVMe?

coder543 4y ago
Yes. You can buy an NVMe SSD and put it into an external thunderbolt enclosure. Here is one random $115 option for a thunderbolt external NVMe enclosure with seemingly good reviews: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB74BQVN https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BB74BQVN Realistically, you probably don't even need a thunderbolt enclosure to have a good experience with an external Apple Photos library, but this option is still way cheaper than the prices Apple charges.
- jbverschoor 4y ago
  I was really looking forward to thunderbolt accessoires, until I saw the prices. An external bay for a GPU (just a piece of junk metal!!) was over $400 when I was looking at it. At this point I don't need it, and I prefer USB, because I don't like the idea of hot swapping something directly on the PCI bus
- luxoramonrising 4y ago
  Wouldn't it bottleneck on usb. I thought the entire point of nvme was that it puts solid state storage on pcie lane.
  - coder543 4y ago
    No, it wouldn't. Thunderbolt versions 3 and 4 are giving you 4 lanes of PCIe 3.0 on an external connector. You can easily get 3GB/s from an NVMe SSD in a Thunderbolt enclosure, which is the same performance as putting a PCIe 3.0 SSD into your computer. We don't yet know how fast the SSDs are in the new Mac mini, but the M1 Mac mini was using ~3GB/s SSDs, which is the same speed you get from PCIe 3.0, and realistically.. that's plenty fast for this discussion regardless.

wil421 4y ago

Just have a NAS serve the files. I keep about 1/2 a 1TB collection of personal pictures and videos. When I add new folders for an event I rsync them to by NAS. If I need to I will rsync folders to my windows machine for editing (have a new 16 core 7950x I’m playing with).

hollerith 4y ago

>with a desktop like this that isn't going to be moving frequently When I owned a Mac mini it moved all the time: I took it on the bus with me to and from my girlfriend's house 100s of times. (Although it died faster than it would have if I had left it in one place, it did last almost 9 years.)

coder543 4y ago
Obviously using an external drive as your boot drive might not be the best idea in that situation, but that situation does not sound fun at all.
- hollerith 4y ago
  Commuting by bus in not particularly fun (I assume that that is what you mean, though I'm not sure) but it wouldn't've been any more fun with a Macbook Air than a Mac mini: they weigh about the same, but if I had carried an Air I would have had to carry a charger or buy a second charger to keep at the girlfriend's house. And of course the Air costs more (even after accounting for the cost of the extra monitor, keyboard and mouse I kept at her house).