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That's such a strange statement, you can compare PHP and React because they both can return a HTML string? Even though one is built entirely within another lang

That's such a strange statement, you can compare PHP and React because they both can return a HTML string? Even though one is built entirely within another language, and it isn't is not a "language". More of a toolkit. Same as say Symfony html framework is.

archerx 4y ago
This is why I stopped posting on the internet people will twist and turn stuff for reasons beyond me. It’s like pulling teeth.
- koonsolo 4y ago
  A "React vs PHP" Google search turns up tons of articles and forum questions with that exact same comparison. So either it's logical to compare the two, or the internet is just full of idiots like me and the parent poster :D.
  - shkkmo 4y ago
    Many of those questions have answers that point out you are comparing two very different things. Some of them are explicitly comparing Laravel and React, which makes a bit more sense. The rest seem to be AI generated trash. The easiest way to explain it is that you could reasonably use react within a PHP project. I wouldn't use the term "idiot" but rather "ignorant". A good article that answers the PHP vs React question would be mostly explaining the differences in the function and usage of both tools.
    - koonsolo 4y ago
      For reference, I'm working with both React and PHP. And yes, for example WordPress uses React components. I'm a 42 year old software architect. But hey, maybe I've been ignorant all this time. React vs PHP is a decision you can make, because... the intention of both is to output HTML. edit: > The easiest way to explain it is that you could reasonably use react within a PHP project. I can use C within a Python project. Does that mean I can't compare the two? One is compiled while the other is interpreted, so maybe you can't compare those?
      - shkkmo 4y ago
        > React vs PHP is a decision you can make, because... the intention of both is to output HTML. Often PHP is used when no HTML rendering happens at all (Apis, scheduled jobs etc.) > I can use C within a Python project. Does that mean I can't compare the two? One is compiled while the other is interpreted, so maybe you can't compare those? Those are at least both programming languages. Several major python libraries are written in C (or other compiled language) so a pure python project is probably fairly rare. Someone asking for "Python vs C" is probably more in need of an explanation of what the broad categories mean and tend to be used for than a point by point breakdown of specific language features and ergonomics. In this specific instance, the complaint was that PHP, a server side language, doesn't offer client side rendering built in. This a point that should be brought up comparing JavaScript to PHP, not React.
        koonsolo 4y ago
        > Often PHP is used when no HTML rendering happens at all (Apis, scheduled jobs etc.) When comparing to React those things are irrelevant. > the complaint was that PHP, a server side language, doesn't offer client side rendering built in. So am I allowed to compare server side rendering to client side rendering? Or are those 2 different things and I'm ignorant if I try to compare them?
        shkkmo 4y ago
        If you complain your tesla doesn't float very well, then you might be a little ignorant of what cars are used for (and that you probably should have used a ferry.)
        koonsolo 4y ago
        React can be used both on the server and client side. That is a benefit over something that can be only used on the server side. React can even be both on server and client using 1 codebase (see Next.js). But it seems the PHP police here on HN does not allow me to compare that solution to a solution in PHP.
koonsolo 4y ago
It's funny how we both think of each others statement how strange it is. For me, not being able to compare the two is like saying: You cannot compare a horse with a car as a means of transportation because a car is not an animal. For me, I don't care one is a programming language and the other is a framework. For me they are both ways to generate HTML. PHP was/is mainly intended to generate HTML. It started as "Personal Home Page" and now is "Hypertext Preprocessor".

archerx 4y ago

This is why I stopped posting on the internet people will twist and turn stuff for reasons beyond me. It’s like pulling teeth.

koonsolo 4y ago
A "React vs PHP" Google search turns up tons of articles and forum questions with that exact same comparison. So either it's logical to compare the two, or the internet is just full of idiots like me and the parent poster :D.
- shkkmo 4y ago
  Many of those questions have answers that point out you are comparing two very different things. Some of them are explicitly comparing Laravel and React, which makes a bit more sense. The rest seem to be AI generated trash. The easiest way to explain it is that you could reasonably use react within a PHP project. I wouldn't use the term "idiot" but rather "ignorant". A good article that answers the PHP vs React question would be mostly explaining the differences in the function and usage of both tools.
  - koonsolo 4y ago
    For reference, I'm working with both React and PHP. And yes, for example WordPress uses React components. I'm a 42 year old software architect. But hey, maybe I've been ignorant all this time. React vs PHP is a decision you can make, because... the intention of both is to output HTML. edit: > The easiest way to explain it is that you could reasonably use react within a PHP project. I can use C within a Python project. Does that mean I can't compare the two? One is compiled while the other is interpreted, so maybe you can't compare those?
    - shkkmo 4y ago
      > React vs PHP is a decision you can make, because... the intention of both is to output HTML. Often PHP is used when no HTML rendering happens at all (Apis, scheduled jobs etc.) > I can use C within a Python project. Does that mean I can't compare the two? One is compiled while the other is interpreted, so maybe you can't compare those? Those are at least both programming languages. Several major python libraries are written in C (or other compiled language) so a pure python project is probably fairly rare. Someone asking for "Python vs C" is probably more in need of an explanation of what the broad categories mean and tend to be used for than a point by point breakdown of specific language features and ergonomics. In this specific instance, the complaint was that PHP, a server side language, doesn't offer client side rendering built in. This a point that should be brought up comparing JavaScript to PHP, not React.
      - koonsolo 4y ago
        > Often PHP is used when no HTML rendering happens at all (Apis, scheduled jobs etc.) When comparing to React those things are irrelevant. > the complaint was that PHP, a server side language, doesn't offer client side rendering built in. So am I allowed to compare server side rendering to client side rendering? Or are those 2 different things and I'm ignorant if I try to compare them?
        shkkmo 4y ago
        If you complain your tesla doesn't float very well, then you might be a little ignorant of what cars are used for (and that you probably should have used a ferry.)
        koonsolo 4y ago
        React can be used both on the server and client side. That is a benefit over something that can be only used on the server side. React can even be both on server and client using 1 codebase (see Next.js). But it seems the PHP police here on HN does not allow me to compare that solution to a solution in PHP.

koonsolo 4y ago

It's funny how we both think of each others statement how strange it is. For me, not being able to compare the two is like saying: You cannot compare a horse with a car as a means of transportation because a car is not an animal. For me, I don't care one is a programming language and the other is a framework. For me they are both ways to generate HTML. PHP was/is mainly intended to generate HTML. It started as "Personal Home Page" and now is "Hypertext Preprocessor".