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It's plainly obvious to me that ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless.

logicallee 4y ago
Yep! It is plainly obvious to me as well. Why do you think some people can't tell what to me and to you is "plainly obvious", i.e. that "ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless."? Do you think it is because it is gaslighting them so much, by repeatedly insisting that it isn't engaging in any form of thought? i.e. without that active misinformation (the active filter it keeps putting up that causes it to make those declarations) would it be as obvious to others as it is to me and you that it is really engaging in some form of thought? Or why can't others see the obvious?
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > Or why can't others see the obvious? Because I've been told a lot of things, and I'd be a fool if I believed them all. I'll believe ChatGPT is onto something when I ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and get real results. For now, it's only capability is synthesizing realistic text. Easy enough to be mistaken for real thought, but clearly distinct when you ask it to do something novel.
  - logicallee 4y ago
    Consider what would happen if you did ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and got real results. Clearly you would think it is just summarizing papers it read. That makes sense, since it is not a cancer researcher. So I'm way more impressed by ChatGPT than that. Even if it correctly data-mined and answered the question, it would not be that impressive. That's right: getting a cure from cancer when you ask is less impressive than what it actually does. Because what it actually does is show the ability to judge novel situations, to invent and act creatively, and to keep abstract notions in its head. That is much more impressive than spitting out a cure for cancer.
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  - xvector 4y ago
    That doesn't seem like a very robust Turing test. But ChatGPT is indeed able to reason about cancer treatments at least as well as your average human.

logicallee 4y ago

Yep! It is plainly obvious to me as well. Why do you think some people can't tell what to me and to you is "plainly obvious", i.e. that "ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless."? Do you think it is because it is gaslighting them so much, by repeatedly insisting that it isn't engaging in any form of thought? i.e. without that active misinformation (the active filter it keeps putting up that causes it to make those declarations) would it be as obvious to others as it is to me and you that it is really engaging in some form of thought? Or why can't others see the obvious?

smoldesu 4y ago
> Or why can't others see the obvious? Because I've been told a lot of things, and I'd be a fool if I believed them all. I'll believe ChatGPT is onto something when I ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and get real results. For now, it's only capability is synthesizing realistic text. Easy enough to be mistaken for real thought, but clearly distinct when you ask it to do something novel.
- logicallee 4y ago
  Consider what would happen if you did ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and got real results. Clearly you would think it is just summarizing papers it read. That makes sense, since it is not a cancer researcher. So I'm way more impressed by ChatGPT than that. Even if it correctly data-mined and answered the question, it would not be that impressive. That's right: getting a cure from cancer when you ask is less impressive than what it actually does. Because what it actually does is show the ability to judge novel situations, to invent and act creatively, and to keep abstract notions in its head. That is much more impressive than spitting out a cure for cancer.
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- xvector 4y ago
  That doesn't seem like a very robust Turing test. But ChatGPT is indeed able to reason about cancer treatments at least as well as your average human.