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Here's an article from today. https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water-storage-17719807.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/cal

Here's an article from today. https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water-storage-17719807.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water... Sadly you were completely wrong @lern_too_spel, and as you will see there is no 'climate change denier' rhetoric, just a need for more water storage. “We’re in a climate emergency and we need to start acting with some urgency here,” said Adrian Covert, senior vice president of public policy for the Bay Area Council, which advocates for businesses in the Bay Area. “When you’re talking about storage projects and dams, they are going to last 100 years and you want to get it right and caution is appropriate. At the same time, you have to deliver results.”

lern_too_spel 4y ago
You have confirmed the first reason. "Such efforts require years of design, permitting and fundraising and are not easy to build.' In other words, the state isn't sitting on the cash. https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-take-to-build-a-massive-new-reservoir-a-lot-of-time-trucks-and-rock https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-tak... shows that a reservoir in Colorado took two decades to get permitted. The projects in California are moving at light speed in comparison. "As much clamor as there has been for more storage, however, water experts warn that it may not be the panacea that advocates profess, specifically reservoirs. Constructing reservoirs is expensive, meaning the water they sell may be cost-prohibitive for some, while the increase in water supply is likely to be small and not worth the money given California’s increasing aridity. "With the warming climate, the state is not only seeing more intense droughts, alongside more intense storms, but more of the precipitation is falling as rain instead of snow. Snow has historically provided a second wind for reservoirs, melting after the wet winter season and giving the lakes an additional hit of water." "'What you want is reliable supply and this (type of storage) is not very reliable. You don’t know when you’re going to fill it.'" In other words, the problem facing California is drought depleting snowpacks and groundwater, not "more water storage" in reservoirs. The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change and doubling down like Pope Urban VIII is just silly and especially sad when you cite an article that disagree with you.
- olivermarks 4y ago
  'The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change' - you really did drink the KoolAid didn't you!
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    Look at Mr. Flat Earth here saying that other people have drunk the Kool-Aid.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
      'State voters have approved eight water bonds since 2000 that authorize some $27 billion in funding for various water projects, but little of the money has gone to storage or flood control. That’s because politicians buy off green support for water bonds by promising to spend a large share of their proceeds on ecosystem restoration'. https://www.wsj.com/articles/water-is-a-terrible-thing-for-california-to-waste-winter-floods-rain-climate-11673984138?mod=hp_opin_pos_1 https://www.wsj.com/articles/water-is-a-terrible-thing-for-c...
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        No, that's because Proposition 13 meant funding for essential new infrastructure could only come from ballot initiatives, meaning projects have to be approved by the least informed people.

lern_too_spel 4y ago

You have confirmed the first reason. "Such efforts require years of design, permitting and fundraising and are not easy to build.' In other words, the state isn't sitting on the cash. https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-take-to-build-a-massive-new-reservoir-a-lot-of-time-trucks-and-rock https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-tak... shows that a reservoir in Colorado took two decades to get permitted. The projects in California are moving at light speed in comparison. "As much clamor as there has been for more storage, however, water experts warn that it may not be the panacea that advocates profess, specifically reservoirs. Constructing reservoirs is expensive, meaning the water they sell may be cost-prohibitive for some, while the increase in water supply is likely to be small and not worth the money given California’s increasing aridity. "With the warming climate, the state is not only seeing more intense droughts, alongside more intense storms, but more of the precipitation is falling as rain instead of snow. Snow has historically provided a second wind for reservoirs, melting after the wet winter season and giving the lakes an additional hit of water." "'What you want is reliable supply and this (type of storage) is not very reliable. You don’t know when you’re going to fill it.'" In other words, the problem facing California is drought depleting snowpacks and groundwater, not "more water storage" in reservoirs. The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change and doubling down like Pope Urban VIII is just silly and especially sad when you cite an article that disagree with you.

olivermarks 4y ago
'The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change' - you really did drink the KoolAid didn't you!
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  Look at Mr. Flat Earth here saying that other people have drunk the Kool-Aid.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    'State voters have approved eight water bonds since 2000 that authorize some $27 billion in funding for various water projects, but little of the money has gone to storage or flood control. That’s because politicians buy off green support for water bonds by promising to spend a large share of their proceeds on ecosystem restoration'. https://www.wsj.com/articles/water-is-a-terrible-thing-for-california-to-waste-winter-floods-rain-climate-11673984138?mod=hp_opin_pos_1 https://www.wsj.com/articles/water-is-a-terrible-thing-for-c...
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      No, that's because Proposition 13 meant funding for essential new infrastructure could only come from ballot initiatives, meaning projects have to be approved by the least informed people.