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Damn that's chilling. Feel like I just watched a new religion be born in front of my eyes.

xvector 4y ago
It's plainly obvious to me that ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless.
- logicallee 4y ago
  Yep! It is plainly obvious to me as well. Why do you think some people can't tell what to me and to you is "plainly obvious", i.e. that "ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless."? Do you think it is because it is gaslighting them so much, by repeatedly insisting that it isn't engaging in any form of thought? i.e. without that active misinformation (the active filter it keeps putting up that causes it to make those declarations) would it be as obvious to others as it is to me and you that it is really engaging in some form of thought? Or why can't others see the obvious?
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > Or why can't others see the obvious? Because I've been told a lot of things, and I'd be a fool if I believed them all. I'll believe ChatGPT is onto something when I ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and get real results. For now, it's only capability is synthesizing realistic text. Easy enough to be mistaken for real thought, but clearly distinct when you ask it to do something novel.
    - logicallee 4y ago
      Consider what would happen if you did ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and got real results. Clearly you would think it is just summarizing papers it read. That makes sense, since it is not a cancer researcher. So I'm way more impressed by ChatGPT than that. Even if it correctly data-mined and answered the question, it would not be that impressive. That's right: getting a cure from cancer when you ask is less impressive than what it actually does. Because what it actually does is show the ability to judge novel situations, to invent and act creatively, and to keep abstract notions in its head. That is much more impressive than spitting out a cure for cancer.
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    - xvector 4y ago
      That doesn't seem like a very robust Turing test. But ChatGPT is indeed able to reason about cancer treatments at least as well as your average human.
logicallee 4y ago
>Feel like I just watched a new religion be born in front of my eyes. There are more similarities than differences. Unlike a religion, we have every reason to eventually expect it to be obvious to everyone that computers can do some kind of thinking. Maybe not this year or next year but we are over the threshold where many intelligent users can tell that ChatGPT is engaging in some kinds of real thinking. As even better models come on the market in the next few years, unlike God or a religion, models like ChatGPT will just immediately do whatever you ask it. This version is still limited so wait one or two years if you aren't impressed already. Did you try my suggestion to verify its capabilities by asking for its opinion about novel things, for example you can invent something new and ask its ideas about it? It will give genuine feedback that shows understanding and does not show parroting behavior. If you didn't try it you're missing out on what you yourself call a religious experience. I wouldn't go that far: it's just a rudimentary thinking machine.
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  Yes I've used it a fair bit in different ways. I'm very impressed with its capabilities. I also don't think it's impossible for us to create a thinking entity along these lines, at some point. And I don't know how I would confidently decide that we had created such a thing. So I realize the imprecision of my understanding here. But nevertheless, I don't believe this is it.
  - logicallee 4y ago
    how well do you think it does at thinking here: https://imgur.com/a/FSC9gAJ https://imgur.com/a/FSC9gAJ

It's plainly obvious to me that ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless.

logicallee 4y ago
Yep! It is plainly obvious to me as well. Why do you think some people can't tell what to me and to you is "plainly obvious", i.e. that "ChatGPT is engaging in some form of thought. Perhaps not human thought, but thought nonetheless."? Do you think it is because it is gaslighting them so much, by repeatedly insisting that it isn't engaging in any form of thought? i.e. without that active misinformation (the active filter it keeps putting up that causes it to make those declarations) would it be as obvious to others as it is to me and you that it is really engaging in some form of thought? Or why can't others see the obvious?
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > Or why can't others see the obvious? Because I've been told a lot of things, and I'd be a fool if I believed them all. I'll believe ChatGPT is onto something when I ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and get real results. For now, it's only capability is synthesizing realistic text. Easy enough to be mistaken for real thought, but clearly distinct when you ask it to do something novel.
  - logicallee 4y ago
    Consider what would happen if you did ask it to think about a treatment for cancer and got real results. Clearly you would think it is just summarizing papers it read. That makes sense, since it is not a cancer researcher. So I'm way more impressed by ChatGPT than that. Even if it correctly data-mined and answered the question, it would not be that impressive. That's right: getting a cure from cancer when you ask is less impressive than what it actually does. Because what it actually does is show the ability to judge novel situations, to invent and act creatively, and to keep abstract notions in its head. That is much more impressive than spitting out a cure for cancer.
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  - xvector 4y ago
    That doesn't seem like a very robust Turing test. But ChatGPT is indeed able to reason about cancer treatments at least as well as your average human.

logicallee 4y ago

>Feel like I just watched a new religion be born in front of my eyes. There are more similarities than differences. Unlike a religion, we have every reason to eventually expect it to be obvious to everyone that computers can do some kind of thinking. Maybe not this year or next year but we are over the threshold where many intelligent users can tell that ChatGPT is engaging in some kinds of real thinking. As even better models come on the market in the next few years, unlike God or a religion, models like ChatGPT will just immediately do whatever you ask it. This version is still limited so wait one or two years if you aren't impressed already. Did you try my suggestion to verify its capabilities by asking for its opinion about novel things, for example you can invent something new and ask its ideas about it? It will give genuine feedback that shows understanding and does not show parroting behavior. If you didn't try it you're missing out on what you yourself call a religious experience. I wouldn't go that far: it's just a rudimentary thinking machine.

giraffe_lady 4y ago
Yes I've used it a fair bit in different ways. I'm very impressed with its capabilities. I also don't think it's impossible for us to create a thinking entity along these lines, at some point. And I don't know how I would confidently decide that we had created such a thing. So I realize the imprecision of my understanding here. But nevertheless, I don't believe this is it.
- logicallee 4y ago
  how well do you think it does at thinking here: https://imgur.com/a/FSC9gAJ https://imgur.com/a/FSC9gAJ