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> if an artist takes all their art from one “period” of their works down Maybe I don't understand artists, but I'd be irritated if an artist did that too. Esp

by fargle 4y ago

> if an artist takes all their art from one “period” of their works down Maybe I don't understand artists, but I'd be irritated if an artist did that too. Especially if it's supposed to be FOSS. And it's still throwing a tantrum anyhow (I guess artists are allowed/expected to be immature?) - I picture trope of the manic artist burning all his beautiful paintings instead of selling them to make rent. What, did all the folks using his FOSS ever know it was just a temporary art installation? I wonder why they assumed he was a core maintainer and why they didn't realize that these FOSS projects where actually "not-projects". I wonder if that was ever prominently mentioned during his 5 minutes of fame? Anyhow, yes, it leaves a bad taste when somebody is, as others have characterized it, LARPing as a FOSS core contributor and then just run off.

derefr 4y ago
I would suggest picturing it more like a young and naive artist being pressured by a demanding community into gradually, accidentally assuming the role of a software engineer and project maintainer, when that's never what they intended to become, nor what makes them happy to do with their life; and is also something they had no training or skills to cope with the challenges of. What you might call a tantrum, I would call "asserting your boundaries." Like cutting ties with abusive parents who keep barging back into your life, by deleting your Facebook account, changing your phone number, and changing the locks on your house (or moving to a different city.) _why's software art projects are the hooks other people had in him, so that's what he had to drop.
- fargle 4y ago
  So why burn everything down? I mean he failed to completely do so, but he really tried to destroy it all. That's the tantrum. Asserting your boundaries is - "look I put it out there, you can take it or leave it. I'll do X, but I'm not going to do Y or Z. Don't push me." It is NOT "you guys didn't love me enough 100% so I'm deleting everything with no warning". And there was nothing going on like an "abusive" relationship at all. Criticism != abuse. Work, commitments, expectations != Abuse. Just say "No. Hey I don't want to do this anymore, but I left all my stuff out on the curb". You don't delete it all out of spite with no warning. Option #1 gets sympathy. Option #2 is a major dick move. "Immature". Yes that part is right. But we knew that already from reading the crunchy-bacon riddled adventures. And people didn't mind the immaturity and fun of it (I didn't like it too much, but then I'm just an old buzzard). It didn't go wrong until he bailed and he didn't just bail, he burned it all down. That's the problem. That's the showing of the real person. He didn't just walk away and never look back. He said - if I can't have it, then I'll take it all back and destroy it. That's not just an "artistic temperament". That's an asshole who didn't like the prize he fairly won and decided to be a dick about it. Thankfully people who did care stepped up. I personally don't even like the stuff, but I never want to see it destroyed so those folks who stepped up are the heros. The system and idea of FOSS is the hero too.

by fargle 4y ago

derefr 4y ago

I would suggest picturing it more like a young and naive artist being pressured by a demanding community into gradually, accidentally assuming the role of a software engineer and project maintainer, when that's never what they intended to become, nor what makes them happy to do with their life; and is also something they had no training or skills to cope with the challenges of. What you might call a tantrum, I would call "asserting your boundaries." Like cutting ties with abusive parents who keep barging back into your life, by deleting your Facebook account, changing your phone number, and changing the locks on your house (or moving to a different city.) _why's software art projects are the hooks other people had in him, so that's what he had to drop.

fargle 4y ago
So why burn everything down? I mean he failed to completely do so, but he really tried to destroy it all. That's the tantrum. Asserting your boundaries is - "look I put it out there, you can take it or leave it. I'll do X, but I'm not going to do Y or Z. Don't push me." It is NOT "you guys didn't love me enough 100% so I'm deleting everything with no warning". And there was nothing going on like an "abusive" relationship at all. Criticism != abuse. Work, commitments, expectations != Abuse. Just say "No. Hey I don't want to do this anymore, but I left all my stuff out on the curb". You don't delete it all out of spite with no warning. Option #1 gets sympathy. Option #2 is a major dick move. "Immature". Yes that part is right. But we knew that already from reading the crunchy-bacon riddled adventures. And people didn't mind the immaturity and fun of it (I didn't like it too much, but then I'm just an old buzzard). It didn't go wrong until he bailed and he didn't just bail, he burned it all down. That's the problem. That's the showing of the real person. He didn't just walk away and never look back. He said - if I can't have it, then I'll take it all back and destroy it. That's not just an "artistic temperament". That's an asshole who didn't like the prize he fairly won and decided to be a dick about it. Thankfully people who did care stepped up. I personally don't even like the stuff, but I never want to see it destroyed so those folks who stepped up are the heros. The system and idea of FOSS is the hero too.