>Idealism is the enemy of done and I care about done Nobody is talking about idealism. It's all practical. What my claim is this: You are wrong. In both cases

>Idealism is the enemy of done and I care about done Nobody is talking about idealism. It's all practical. What my claim is this: You are wrong. In both cases you can get things "done" but you'd get things done faster and more easily without the ORM, you just don't know it. That's the claim I am making. Your claim is that my reasoning is based on theoretical ideals. But I never stated such a thing, so I am stating it now: The basis of my logic rests on practicality NOT idealism. The funny thing is, SQL as strings is viewed as more "practical" given how inelegant and "un-ideal" string manipulation is. The ORM is more of the misguided attempt to reach an idealism through abstraction.