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Tl;dr If you value your freedom to choose your own path don’t get married or have children.

by BizarreByte 4y ago

notch656c 4y ago
In the US you owe child support even if you're raped. So it's not necessarily even a decision.
- fsckboy 4y ago
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  - ryanmentor 4y ago
    Bravely coming out against... rape victims?
    - fsckboy 4y ago
      >Bravely coming out against... rape victims? your sarcasm is completely misplaced, 1) coming out against rape victims would actually be quite brave, you'd get downvoted to hell, but 2) I didn't do that. "Rape victims" who have children (women) don't pay child support, men do. OP is against all child support, in which he's wrong, but with regard to rape, a child born from a rape is entitled to child support from which men? that part of his comment actually made no sense at all
      - barry-cotter 4y ago
        > When Male Rape Victims Are Accountable for Child Support > When Shane Seyer was 12, he was sexually exploited by his 16-year-old babysitter Colleen Hermesmann. She became pregnant with Seyer’s child in 1989 and was charged with statutory rape shortly afterward. Instead of being convicted of rape, Hermesmann was declared a juvenile offender under the non-sexual offense of “contributing to child misconduct.” Seyer was subsequently court-ordered to pay child support. > In 1993, at the age of 15, Seyer appealed this decision to the Kansas Supreme Court, arguing he should not be liable for these payments. He maintained that his babysitter (Hermesmann) took advantage of him sexually when he was too young to give consent. > The Kansas Supreme Court ruled against him. The judgment stated that because Seyer initially consented to the sexual encounters and never told his parents what was happening, he was responsible for supporting the child. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma...
    - mlyle 4y ago
      Holding up the ridiculous edge case that almost never happens and needs reform -- rape victims that end up as a non-custodial parent and thus owing child support -- to prevent an honest discussion of the whole issue (with more common injustices but also complexity and nuance) sucks. It doesn't help us move forward and improve the world.
      - broken_mind 4y ago
        Ah yes, the thing that almost never happens but when it happens you deserved it.
        mlyle 4y ago
        This is not what I said.
  - xboxnolifes 4y ago
    I hope you misread who you're replying to.
  - fckgnad 4y ago
    The sad reality is that no one in this world is entitled to anything. Not even kids. Kids get what they get because of willful charity not entitlement. Some kids get more charity other kids get less, life is unfair. This idea that all kids are fucking angels who deserve everything is absolutely insane. Realize Hitler was a kid once too. My kids don't deserve shit. They get what they get because I'm instinctually obligated by natural selection to love them irrationally and provide charity to them so they maximize their chances of reproducing and spreading my genes.
zshrdlu 4y ago
That's my take-away here too.
mantas 4y ago
More like don't marry a psycho and maintain communication...
- BizarreByte 4y ago
  From watching other people’s lives this seems way easier on paper than in reality. It’s a huge risk no matter what.
  - mantas 4y ago
    There're plenty of safeguards the society has developed over a long time. But if somebody heads for relationship straight from romance movies with drama all around and sex is #1 criteria... Then outcome is pretty clear.

Tl;dr If you value your freedom to choose your own path don’t get married or have children.

notch656c 4y ago

In the US you owe child support even if you're raped. So it's not necessarily even a decision.

fsckboy 4y ago
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- ryanmentor 4y ago
  Bravely coming out against... rape victims?
  - fsckboy 4y ago
    >Bravely coming out against... rape victims? your sarcasm is completely misplaced, 1) coming out against rape victims would actually be quite brave, you'd get downvoted to hell, but 2) I didn't do that. "Rape victims" who have children (women) don't pay child support, men do. OP is against all child support, in which he's wrong, but with regard to rape, a child born from a rape is entitled to child support from which men? that part of his comment actually made no sense at all
    - barry-cotter 4y ago
      > When Male Rape Victims Are Accountable for Child Support > When Shane Seyer was 12, he was sexually exploited by his 16-year-old babysitter Colleen Hermesmann. She became pregnant with Seyer’s child in 1989 and was charged with statutory rape shortly afterward. Instead of being convicted of rape, Hermesmann was declared a juvenile offender under the non-sexual offense of “contributing to child misconduct.” Seyer was subsequently court-ordered to pay child support. > In 1993, at the age of 15, Seyer appealed this decision to the Kansas Supreme Court, arguing he should not be liable for these payments. He maintained that his babysitter (Hermesmann) took advantage of him sexually when he was too young to give consent. > The Kansas Supreme Court ruled against him. The judgment stated that because Seyer initially consented to the sexual encounters and never told his parents what was happening, he was responsible for supporting the child. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma/201902/when-male-rape-victims-are-accountable-child-support https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/talking-about-trauma...
  - mlyle 4y ago
    Holding up the ridiculous edge case that almost never happens and needs reform -- rape victims that end up as a non-custodial parent and thus owing child support -- to prevent an honest discussion of the whole issue (with more common injustices but also complexity and nuance) sucks. It doesn't help us move forward and improve the world.
    - broken_mind 4y ago
      Ah yes, the thing that almost never happens but when it happens you deserved it.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        This is not what I said.
- xboxnolifes 4y ago
  I hope you misread who you're replying to.
- fckgnad 4y ago
  The sad reality is that no one in this world is entitled to anything. Not even kids. Kids get what they get because of willful charity not entitlement. Some kids get more charity other kids get less, life is unfair. This idea that all kids are fucking angels who deserve everything is absolutely insane. Realize Hitler was a kid once too. My kids don't deserve shit. They get what they get because I'm instinctually obligated by natural selection to love them irrationally and provide charity to them so they maximize their chances of reproducing and spreading my genes.

zshrdlu 4y ago

That's my take-away here too.

mantas 4y ago

More like don't marry a psycho and maintain communication...

BizarreByte 4y ago
From watching other people’s lives this seems way easier on paper than in reality. It’s a huge risk no matter what.
- mantas 4y ago
  There're plenty of safeguards the society has developed over a long time. But if somebody heads for relationship straight from romance movies with drama all around and sex is #1 criteria... Then outcome is pretty clear.