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This is almost certainly the correct answer. It might also be a generic dialog populated with a server-provided message. Apple TV definitely is not intended to

This is almost certainly the correct answer. It might also be a generic dialog populated with a server-provided message. Apple TV definitely is not intended to require that you own another Apple device. Even the Apple TV+ subscription service is supported on other platforms like Roku (https://www.roku.com/blog/apple-tv https://www.roku.com/blog/apple-tv). Apple has never required that you run the latest iOS to use iCloud (see minimum requirements on https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204230 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204230). Also, you can definitely accept the iCloud T&C with a Mac, which the error message omits. It's clearly just a very dumb bug and an inaccurate message, one that will likely be fixed in a few days. Not really worth the #1 slot on HN with 190+ comments.

fortran77 4y ago
Except that he tried it and it didn’t work. There was no message to accept the TOS.
- rgovostes 4y ago
  Except what? Tried what? What are you responding to? Edit: If you are responding to the part about accepting T&C on a Mac, I meant in the iCloud system settings panel, and not through the browser. (Though I would also expect that to work. The fact that it doesn't just underscores that this is a dumb bug.)
assttoasstmgr 4y ago
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- ipqk 4y ago
  > aggressive planned obsolescence What?! Apple devices have the longest usable lifespans out there (and best resell value to boot, which is also indicative of their lifespan).
  - vetinari 4y ago
    > Apple devices have the longest usable lifespans out there Are you serious? This is Apple policy: > Products are considered vintage when Apple stopped distributing them for sale more than 5 and less than 7 years ago. > Products are considered obsolete when Apple stopped distributing them for sale more than 7 years ago. Monster-branded Beats products are considered obsolete regardless of when they were purchased. > Apple discontinues all hardware service for obsolete products, with the sole exception of Mac laptops that are eligible for an additional battery-only repair period. Service providers cannot order parts for obsolete products. If you suggested, that you cannot use 10 years old PC (and I actually have one Thinkpad that old here), you would be laughed out of the room. > and best resell value to boot, which is also indicative of their lifespan That's what some users think; up until they try to do that. Then the reality kicks in.
- chrischen 4y ago
  There are certain things Apple does that are user hostile like pushing people to buy cloud storage by neglecting their local backup and local syncing user experiences, but planned obsolescence is definitely not one of them. If you are accusing that person of being biased for Apple then ai am here to tell you that you are definitely being biased again.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    > There are certain things Apple does that are user hostile like pushing people to buy cloud storage by neglecting their local backup and local syncing user experiences, but planned obsolescence is definitely not one of them. They've had their issues there too with irreplaceable batteries (remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVmnvcQnLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVmnvcQnLg), slowing people's older devices to encourage them to buy new ones (I'm aware that apple's got another more "helpful" sounding excuse for that, just as they're aware their actions would drive more upgrades regardless), and using pentalobe screws to make repairing older devices more difficult. They've earned their reputation.
    - kitsunesoba 4y ago
      > slowing people's older devices to encourage them to buy new ones (I'm aware that apple's got another more "helpful" sounding excuse for that, just as they're aware their actions would drive more upgrades regardless) There’s definitely a basis in truth for that, though. It’s not just an excuse. Years ago when I was dead broke and trying to get my foot in the door as a dev, I was using an iPhone 4 with a worn out battery running a version of iOS prior to the throttling being implemented, and it would frequently shut down entirely with even mild spikes in power requirements at 35% battery and under. It actually made cut me off in the middle of a couple of interview calls and nearly made me miss a couple of others. Had the phone throttled itself to prevent power spikes that wouldn’t have happened.
    - chrischen 4y ago
      It's not a helpful sounding excuse. The media blew up that narrative because people felt their phone become slower over time for various reasons, but the reasons your phone would slow down would be a combination of several other factors: 1) Device might get slower due to having more stuff on it (larger indexes, less space, etc) 2) Battery degradation causing throttling of CPU 3) New OS requiring more computing power to run new features making your old phone feel slower. Saying Apple intentionally slowed down older devices is disingenuous. Yes they did slow down old devices, but only because old devices were more likely to be devices with degraded batteries. What is a fair criticism is that Apple didn't communicate to customers that simply replacing the batteries could fix the issue, or maybe deleting some stuff from your phone.
- rgovostes 4y ago
  You may find other things Apple does user hostile, but they are genuinely pretty good about supporting old devices. I'm pretty sure you can even still sync original iPods on Macs released 20 years later. The iCloud compatibility page linked above shows that it still supports devices released 13 years ago. The latest iOS is compatible with devices from 2017, and regular security updates are released for devices going back to 2015 -- that's about half the time iPhone has been on the market. Especially if you believe that they exhibit "declining quality of software", this is a more rational explanation for the error message than a sudden, massive shift in update strategy to require everyone be running the latest software release.
  - reaperducer 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure you can even still sync original iPods on Macs released 20 years later. Can't say about 20 years, but I synced both of my 17-year-old iPods to my M1 Mac over the weekend.
    - kotaKat 4y ago
      I can use a dongle chain and run my ancient FireWire MiniDV camcorders right into my M1 Air. Makes modern DV archival so much more painless.
      - luisapic 4y ago
        [dead]
cameronh90 4y ago
I have the Apple TV app on my Google TV, and certain actions require me to use my iPad, such as buying films. I guess they didn't want to give Google a cut of their revenue but also couldn't be bothered making a web interface.
- scarface74 4y ago
  You can buy films from a Windows computer using an iTunes

fortran77 4y ago

Except that he tried it and it didn’t work. There was no message to accept the TOS.

rgovostes 4y ago
Except what? Tried what? What are you responding to? Edit: If you are responding to the part about accepting T&C on a Mac, I meant in the iCloud system settings panel, and not through the browser. (Though I would also expect that to work. The fact that it doesn't just underscores that this is a dumb bug.)

assttoasstmgr 4y ago

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ipqk 4y ago
> aggressive planned obsolescence What?! Apple devices have the longest usable lifespans out there (and best resell value to boot, which is also indicative of their lifespan).
- vetinari 4y ago
  > Apple devices have the longest usable lifespans out there Are you serious? This is Apple policy: > Products are considered vintage when Apple stopped distributing them for sale more than 5 and less than 7 years ago. > Products are considered obsolete when Apple stopped distributing them for sale more than 7 years ago. Monster-branded Beats products are considered obsolete regardless of when they were purchased. > Apple discontinues all hardware service for obsolete products, with the sole exception of Mac laptops that are eligible for an additional battery-only repair period. Service providers cannot order parts for obsolete products. If you suggested, that you cannot use 10 years old PC (and I actually have one Thinkpad that old here), you would be laughed out of the room. > and best resell value to boot, which is also indicative of their lifespan That's what some users think; up until they try to do that. Then the reality kicks in.
chrischen 4y ago
There are certain things Apple does that are user hostile like pushing people to buy cloud storage by neglecting their local backup and local syncing user experiences, but planned obsolescence is definitely not one of them. If you are accusing that person of being biased for Apple then ai am here to tell you that you are definitely being biased again.
- autoexec 4y ago
  > There are certain things Apple does that are user hostile like pushing people to buy cloud storage by neglecting their local backup and local syncing user experiences, but planned obsolescence is definitely not one of them. They've had their issues there too with irreplaceable batteries (remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVmnvcQnLg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVmnvcQnLg), slowing people's older devices to encourage them to buy new ones (I'm aware that apple's got another more "helpful" sounding excuse for that, just as they're aware their actions would drive more upgrades regardless), and using pentalobe screws to make repairing older devices more difficult. They've earned their reputation.
  - kitsunesoba 4y ago
    > slowing people's older devices to encourage them to buy new ones (I'm aware that apple's got another more "helpful" sounding excuse for that, just as they're aware their actions would drive more upgrades regardless) There’s definitely a basis in truth for that, though. It’s not just an excuse. Years ago when I was dead broke and trying to get my foot in the door as a dev, I was using an iPhone 4 with a worn out battery running a version of iOS prior to the throttling being implemented, and it would frequently shut down entirely with even mild spikes in power requirements at 35% battery and under. It actually made cut me off in the middle of a couple of interview calls and nearly made me miss a couple of others. Had the phone throttled itself to prevent power spikes that wouldn’t have happened.
  - chrischen 4y ago
    It's not a helpful sounding excuse. The media blew up that narrative because people felt their phone become slower over time for various reasons, but the reasons your phone would slow down would be a combination of several other factors: 1) Device might get slower due to having more stuff on it (larger indexes, less space, etc) 2) Battery degradation causing throttling of CPU 3) New OS requiring more computing power to run new features making your old phone feel slower. Saying Apple intentionally slowed down older devices is disingenuous. Yes they did slow down old devices, but only because old devices were more likely to be devices with degraded batteries. What is a fair criticism is that Apple didn't communicate to customers that simply replacing the batteries could fix the issue, or maybe deleting some stuff from your phone.
rgovostes 4y ago
You may find other things Apple does user hostile, but they are genuinely pretty good about supporting old devices. I'm pretty sure you can even still sync original iPods on Macs released 20 years later. The iCloud compatibility page linked above shows that it still supports devices released 13 years ago. The latest iOS is compatible with devices from 2017, and regular security updates are released for devices going back to 2015 -- that's about half the time iPhone has been on the market. Especially if you believe that they exhibit "declining quality of software", this is a more rational explanation for the error message than a sudden, massive shift in update strategy to require everyone be running the latest software release.
- reaperducer 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure you can even still sync original iPods on Macs released 20 years later. Can't say about 20 years, but I synced both of my 17-year-old iPods to my M1 Mac over the weekend.
  - kotaKat 4y ago
    I can use a dongle chain and run my ancient FireWire MiniDV camcorders right into my M1 Air. Makes modern DV archival so much more painless.
    - luisapic 4y ago
      [dead]

cameronh90 4y ago

I have the Apple TV app on my Google TV, and certain actions require me to use my iPad, such as buying films. I guess they didn't want to give Google a cut of their revenue but also couldn't be bothered making a web interface.

scarface74 4y ago
You can buy films from a Windows computer using an iTunes