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I somehow managed to watch 1899 right on release and really enjoyed it, so am really bummed. But a lot of people around me just haven't gotten around to it beca

I somehow managed to watch 1899 right on release and really enjoyed it, so am really bummed. But a lot of people around me just haven't gotten around to it because of the holidays, and now say the same thing as you do. And I've heard some fans of DARK saying they just couldn't get into it because it was too slow, but I really liked that style of storytelling. I just wish everybody and their mom would put on that show now even if they don't actually watch it, so maybe the numbers change and they reverse their decision. I actually took this as the final straw to cancel my Netflix subscription and will only ever sign up again if that show gets finished.

jsnell 4y ago
I doubt that the holidays are the explanation. 1899 released five weeks before Christmas. The peak viewership for a Netflix show is typically first or second week (I guess mostly since the first week tends to be partial) and drops of fairly rapidly. For comparison, Wednesday released 1 week after 1899, even closer to the holidays, racked up 5x the view numbers of 1899, and even had more viewers on Christmas week than 1899 had in its best. (For me, it's that the word of mouth on 1899 was not good. The specific complaints people had were just the kind of thing that would drive me up the wall. So while I binged a bunch of shows during the holidays with different subsets of family, 1899 wasn't even in the discussion with any of them.)
- mixmastamyk 4y ago
  Where do you get these numbers? Thanks, interestingly, 1899 is number 2!
  - jsnell 4y ago
    Netflix publish them weekly: https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-11-20 https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-11-20
- iforgotpassword 4y ago
  I guess it's one of those shows you need to mentally prepare yourself to watch. Maybe I'm just trying to make excuses now to feel better, but there's something different about watching a mystery show where I have to pay close attention if I really want to get it, and something like Wednesday which I can watch in whatever exhausted state of mind.
  - eli_gottlieb 4y ago
    >something like Wednesday which I can watch in whatever exhausted state of mind. Ironically, everything "mysterious" is foreshadowed perfectly well. They're just using enough Standard Netflix Writing to cover it up at the start.
- justsid 4y ago
  I do think there is a mood aspect to it. I didn’t watch 1899 right when it came out because I wasn’t ready for it mentally yet. A lot of things I watch around Christmas are lighthearted movies, including a bunch of Hallmark stuff. I don’t have the time or headspace to get to something like 1899, but when I finally did, I enjoyed it greatly.
- washadjeffmad 4y ago
  Demographics and density matter. 1899 was a detailed slow burn, not something you could throw on in the background while you're doom scrolling and still capture 90% of. Wednesday was a shallow faux-dark drama for the kids on holiday. We watched one episode, decided it wasn't for us, watched one more just to make sure, then never picked it back up. Minors are where the money's at. Just look at YouTube and Twitch. Content for mature audiences is effectively over. Edit: I should explain. We preferred to sit down to give 1899 our full attention. It's shot very dark, so we had to watch it at night after work and dinner, and when we were too tired, we waited until the next night to continue. Between holiday planning, wrapping gifts, shopping, travel, and all of the obligations that arose shortly after 1899 came out, we only managed half the season and haven't had time to complete it or any other show since returning to work. 1899 isn't really a show you can watch on your phone while you're brushing your teeth or async with another person, but it's so a bit much to binge. So, obviously, we're not who Netflix makes shows for. We don't buy merch or follow stars on the social media we don't have. Our interaction is limited to watching and rating in the app and talking to coworkers and family about it.
imglorp 4y ago
Amazon might pick it up. They also picked up Expanse after enough fan noise.
- gonzo41 4y ago
  and then ended it sadly. IF Jeff really wanted to give something back, he'd give us another 20 seasons of the Expanse.
  - thrill 4y ago
    They ended it horribly.
    - dekleinewolf 4y ago
      Shit, I'm binging it right at the moment. I guess I'll mentally prepare for a horrible ending!
      - birdymcbird 4y ago
        op exaggerates. it has proper ending. the pace questionable, but it more or less exactly as book. no liberty to make big change in story like other shows do.
autoexec 4y ago
> But a lot of people around me just haven't gotten around to it because of the holidays Amazon's the tick was canceled, based on views, before I even got around to seeing it. Media companies need to get it through their heads that we're done watching TV and movies on their schedule. I've got far to much competing for my time and I'll get to things when it's good for me. That's what drove people to VCRs, then DVDs, then DVRs, then streaming. They're still trying to stuff the genie back into the bottle. They often withhold episodes, choosing to dole them out once a week so they can longer maintain and better control social media coverage/adverting. I already wait until a season is fully released before I start watching (it's saved me from a lot of disappointment already). > I just wish everybody and their mom would put on that show now even if they don't actually watch it, so maybe the numbers change and they reverse their decision. Streaming services need to accept that the times and their viewers have changed. I'm not going to let them make me feel pressured to jump on every episode of something I enjoy the moment they release it, and I'm not going to spend my time trying to manipulate their numbers and hope that somehow that gets me what I want. Time is short and I've got plenty of better things to do than play games for the sake of clueless streaming companies.
- iforgotpassword 4y ago
  I get it, from a business standpoint it probably makes sense to do it like Netflix, I guess one huge viral hit still more than makes up for those few enraged customers who cancelled their subscription because some not-that-successful show they got attached to got cancelled for the third time in two years. Because most just default to what the article describes, never touch a new show until it has a couple of seasons or clearly went viral. So worst case we get a race to the bottom, only shows that are the equivalent to a TikTok video that immediately grabs your attention, or viral hits that create FOMO. > I'm not going to spend my time trying to manipulate their numbers and hope that somehow that gets me what I want. Well I was half joking there, but it seems like this would be the only way to vote for a show if you don't have the time right now, but would like to watch it later and make sure it gets an ending. I don't know if this would really be worse than not doing it. Getting a show you'd have watched later cancelled, and then rewarding them for that by not cancelling your subscription also seems wrong.
Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago
It's slow. I love dark, probably my favorite tv show, still 1899 is slow. That being said, it's still looking like an amazing show, I like slow, but it was way too slow, but not to the point of canceling. They would have improved with the next season. Bah, I'm so disappointed in Netflix. It seems like only books get endings. Isn't there a way to read books in a shared way, like tv, so that I could do that with my wife?
FuturisticLover 4y ago
It wasn't on Dark level but it was still good. I was able to finish it within 2 days probably because most of shows nowadays, especially from Netflix wasn't that good. I can't remember the last time Netflix released an amazing series.

jsnell 4y ago

I doubt that the holidays are the explanation. 1899 released five weeks before Christmas. The peak viewership for a Netflix show is typically first or second week (I guess mostly since the first week tends to be partial) and drops of fairly rapidly. For comparison, Wednesday released 1 week after 1899, even closer to the holidays, racked up 5x the view numbers of 1899, and even had more viewers on Christmas week than 1899 had in its best. (For me, it's that the word of mouth on 1899 was not good. The specific complaints people had were just the kind of thing that would drive me up the wall. So while I binged a bunch of shows during the holidays with different subsets of family, 1899 wasn't even in the discussion with any of them.)

mixmastamyk 4y ago
Where do you get these numbers? Thanks, interestingly, 1899 is number 2!
- jsnell 4y ago
  Netflix publish them weekly: https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-11-20 https://top10.netflix.com/tv?week=2022-11-20
iforgotpassword 4y ago
I guess it's one of those shows you need to mentally prepare yourself to watch. Maybe I'm just trying to make excuses now to feel better, but there's something different about watching a mystery show where I have to pay close attention if I really want to get it, and something like Wednesday which I can watch in whatever exhausted state of mind.
- eli_gottlieb 4y ago
  >something like Wednesday which I can watch in whatever exhausted state of mind. Ironically, everything "mysterious" is foreshadowed perfectly well. They're just using enough Standard Netflix Writing to cover it up at the start.
justsid 4y ago
I do think there is a mood aspect to it. I didn’t watch 1899 right when it came out because I wasn’t ready for it mentally yet. A lot of things I watch around Christmas are lighthearted movies, including a bunch of Hallmark stuff. I don’t have the time or headspace to get to something like 1899, but when I finally did, I enjoyed it greatly.
washadjeffmad 4y ago
Demographics and density matter. 1899 was a detailed slow burn, not something you could throw on in the background while you're doom scrolling and still capture 90% of. Wednesday was a shallow faux-dark drama for the kids on holiday. We watched one episode, decided it wasn't for us, watched one more just to make sure, then never picked it back up. Minors are where the money's at. Just look at YouTube and Twitch. Content for mature audiences is effectively over. Edit: I should explain. We preferred to sit down to give 1899 our full attention. It's shot very dark, so we had to watch it at night after work and dinner, and when we were too tired, we waited until the next night to continue. Between holiday planning, wrapping gifts, shopping, travel, and all of the obligations that arose shortly after 1899 came out, we only managed half the season and haven't had time to complete it or any other show since returning to work. 1899 isn't really a show you can watch on your phone while you're brushing your teeth or async with another person, but it's so a bit much to binge. So, obviously, we're not who Netflix makes shows for. We don't buy merch or follow stars on the social media we don't have. Our interaction is limited to watching and rating in the app and talking to coworkers and family about it.

imglorp 4y ago

Amazon might pick it up. They also picked up Expanse after enough fan noise.

gonzo41 4y ago
and then ended it sadly. IF Jeff really wanted to give something back, he'd give us another 20 seasons of the Expanse.
- thrill 4y ago
  They ended it horribly.
  - dekleinewolf 4y ago
    Shit, I'm binging it right at the moment. I guess I'll mentally prepare for a horrible ending!
    - birdymcbird 4y ago
      op exaggerates. it has proper ending. the pace questionable, but it more or less exactly as book. no liberty to make big change in story like other shows do.

autoexec 4y ago

> But a lot of people around me just haven't gotten around to it because of the holidays Amazon's the tick was canceled, based on views, before I even got around to seeing it. Media companies need to get it through their heads that we're done watching TV and movies on their schedule. I've got far to much competing for my time and I'll get to things when it's good for me. That's what drove people to VCRs, then DVDs, then DVRs, then streaming. They're still trying to stuff the genie back into the bottle. They often withhold episodes, choosing to dole them out once a week so they can longer maintain and better control social media coverage/adverting. I already wait until a season is fully released before I start watching (it's saved me from a lot of disappointment already). > I just wish everybody and their mom would put on that show now even if they don't actually watch it, so maybe the numbers change and they reverse their decision. Streaming services need to accept that the times and their viewers have changed. I'm not going to let them make me feel pressured to jump on every episode of something I enjoy the moment they release it, and I'm not going to spend my time trying to manipulate their numbers and hope that somehow that gets me what I want. Time is short and I've got plenty of better things to do than play games for the sake of clueless streaming companies.

iforgotpassword 4y ago
I get it, from a business standpoint it probably makes sense to do it like Netflix, I guess one huge viral hit still more than makes up for those few enraged customers who cancelled their subscription because some not-that-successful show they got attached to got cancelled for the third time in two years. Because most just default to what the article describes, never touch a new show until it has a couple of seasons or clearly went viral. So worst case we get a race to the bottom, only shows that are the equivalent to a TikTok video that immediately grabs your attention, or viral hits that create FOMO. > I'm not going to spend my time trying to manipulate their numbers and hope that somehow that gets me what I want. Well I was half joking there, but it seems like this would be the only way to vote for a show if you don't have the time right now, but would like to watch it later and make sure it gets an ending. I don't know if this would really be worse than not doing it. Getting a show you'd have watched later cancelled, and then rewarding them for that by not cancelling your subscription also seems wrong.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 4y ago

It's slow. I love dark, probably my favorite tv show, still 1899 is slow. That being said, it's still looking like an amazing show, I like slow, but it was way too slow, but not to the point of canceling. They would have improved with the next season. Bah, I'm so disappointed in Netflix. It seems like only books get endings. Isn't there a way to read books in a shared way, like tv, so that I could do that with my wife?

FuturisticLover 4y ago

It wasn't on Dark level but it was still good. I was able to finish it within 2 days probably because most of shows nowadays, especially from Netflix wasn't that good. I can't remember the last time Netflix released an amazing series.