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tangent: but are any of you still getting boosters? Like 4th, 5th shots and stuff. Seems a lot of people gave up after the 3rd shot (1st booster).

boplicity 4y ago
Of course -- why wouldn't I? They're free, effective, and extremely low risk.
- msandford 4y ago
  Man I sure wish I shared your certainty on the subject. It would make my life a lot easier.
  - boplicity 4y ago
    I'm sure you're certain about quite a few things -- you just probably don't spend time thinking about them, hence them not "registering" as things you're certain about.
- latchkey 4y ago
  I've just been lazy to get the 4th, but I don't have any reason not to. I also haven't had covid yet (that I know of), so whatever I've been doing these last few years seems to have been working (primarily, I just wear a mask in enclosed public spaces). I've noticed that there is a lot of anti-vax stuff surfacing on Twitter recently though (thanks Elon!), so maybe that is where the OP's comment is coming from. For example: https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1614876088081211392 https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1614876088081211392 and the correct response (from Aug 2021): https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/1425803502274629639 https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/14258035022746296...
- PathOfEclipse 4y ago
  Nothing is free. Some things are just paid for in other ways like taxes, debt, and inflation. Also, I know zero people personally who've been seeiously affected by COVID. However,I personally know one pro vaccine person who was hospitalized by a heart attack immediately after his third shot. To date there has only been a single prospective study on post vaccination myocarditis: https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196 https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196 The study estimates that risk of myocarditis is much, much higher than previously reported. We simply don't have the data because reporting has not been stringent and no one is doing the appropriate research: https://youtu.be/2mWZY6vmdBM https://youtu.be/2mWZY6vmdBM
  - spoils19 4y ago
    This is the salient point here. Despite the data showing effectiveness of vaccines, all it takes is one personal connection to have a negative response to make me swear to never take one again. Much like this user, I think the pandemic was a blessing in disguise to show me who the real free thinkers are, and who is simply a sheep following what others say is best.
    - pupppet 4y ago
      Are you a sheep if those 'others' are the majority of medical professionals?
      - VagueMag 4y ago
        It depends? Medical professionals are certainly not some kind of infallible bloc. Ignaz Semmelweis, who advocated for hand washing before delivering babies, was mocked and derided by doctors at the time. Then there's this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160252712000854 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602...
  - dickersnoodle 4y ago
    From the abstract: "The clinical presentation of myopericarditis after vaccination was usually mild and temporary, with all cases fully recovering within 14 days." And as for your example, there are two things to keep in mind: 1) "Data" is not the plural of "anecdote", so saying you don't know anyone who's been seriously affected by COVID isn't very clear. How many people do you know who have had it? How do you know they weren't seriously affected by COVID? Were they related, or were they random individuals? Sampling error is a real thing. 2) Correlation does not equal causation. One person hospitalized with a heart attack after his third shot could be due to lots of things, including random chance or a hidden heart condition that was just pushed over the edge by his body's immune response to the vaccine.
    - madman2890 4y ago
- yucky 4y ago
  How are we defining effective? Everyone I know has gotten Covid regardless of how many vaccinations/boosters.
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    They define effective using a complicated statistical derivative that inverts the data. This is mostly visible in UK data and other occasional studies, because most public health reports hide the true numbers. UK does now too but for the longest time published both pre and post adjustment data. The actual effectiveness, as defined by case rates by vaccine status, have been strongly negative for a long time. Around a year now. Vaccinated people catch COVID a lot more often than unvaccinated people do. The reason they claim effectiveness is they use an adjustment procedure to try and correct for "bias". The procedure dates from before COVID. It breaks if people can volunteer to get tested, by making the vaccines look more effective. They don't care because it turns bad news into good news. Also they classify people as vaccinated weeks after someone gets the shot. Negative consequences from the shot are then assigned to the unvaccinated cohort. Again they shouldn't use stats that way but they do. Real effectiveness is negative.
    - lostmsu 4y ago
      > Real effectiveness is negative. Your whole comment reeks BS. I don't see any plausible explanation for _negative_ effectiveness. And you don't link any data to support your point.
      - VagueMag 4y ago
        These comment threads are all posted on a link to a scientific paper showing that mRNA vaccines may cause class switching to a type of antibodies which cause tolerance (reduced immune response) to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Vaccine enhanced disease is not a new phenomenon and not outside the realm of possibility for the COVID vaccines.
      - fidgewidge 4y ago
        I was once like you. When I first learned about negative effectiveness I thought that was crazy. That's not possible surely? Hah. I was such a child. It can happen, has happened in the past with other vaccines and has now happened in a big way with COVID vaccines. The biological mechanisms are well known by immunologists for many years, look for "OAS" and imprinting. Or heck read the fine article we're discussing on this thread, which is about the body making the wrong sort of antibodies due to over-exposure (which makes it easier to become infected). You don't have to believe me. Maybe you'll believe Dr Fauci: https://youtu.be/uagsb4wii3E?t=3401 https://youtu.be/uagsb4wii3E?t=3401 so when you have that many people in a trial 56:41 not only are you looking to see if it works but you're constantly keeping your eye 56:47 on safety to make sure that a vaccine actually doesn't enhance disease He says they have to watch to make sure vaccines don't enhance disease, because negative effectiveness is a problem that's occurred in the past especially with HIV vaccines. So now we established that my comment doesn't reek of BS, here's data on covid vaxx negative efficacy: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigenic-in-denmark https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigeni... https://dailysceptic.org/tag/negative-efficacy/ https://dailysceptic.org/tag/negative-efficacy/ Follow the white rabbit but don't use search engines. Searching the obvious queries on both google and duckduckgo gives back CDC propaganda and none of the results actually discuss negative efficacy. The extent of the coverup is pathetic.
- VagueMag 4y ago
  "extremely low risk" could still be of marginal benefit depending on how high your risk is for severe outcomes from COVID. It could be quite low if you are reasonably young, in good health, and have already recovered from an infection.
HappySweeney 4y ago
I just got my 5th, and opted for Novavax this round due to this very study.
- latchkey 4y ago
  Neat. "The spike protein in this vaccine is produced in insect cells; the Matrix M-adjuvant contains saponin extracts from the bark of the Soapbark tree that is native to Chile."
- TMWNN 4y ago
  >I just got my 5th Is this you? <https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg>
jeroenhd 4y ago
Sure, mostly because I can get them just around the corner anyway. I'll take any free vaccination offered to me, really.
yonaguska 4y ago
I know a couple that just got the bivalent boosters. Their teenage son got the first two shots, and subsequently developed a face tick/twitch. But their doctor told them it was nothing to worry about, just dry eye. These are people that I had spoken to in the past about the pointlessness of these vaccines in kids...but, oh well. I hope their son doesn't have any long term issues.
- SECProto 4y ago
  An anecdote is not data. I know about twenty couples (half are relatives, the rest friends and coworkers) who have gotten bivalent boosters, whose children have gotten 3-4 shots, and none of them have had any issues.
  - yonaguska 4y ago
    You're right, it's not data. I'm glad that none of those children have had any issues. Unfortunately, we'll probably never have any real data, as long as the signals that these vaccines aren't exactly safe, especially for young men, keep getting ignored. How many anecdotes and coincidences will it take for serious monitoring to take place?
  - iinnPP 4y ago
    An anecdote is data. Whether or not it influences you or another person is another topic. I have never heard of the face ticks but I do experience them as a part of Tourette's Syndrome. My Tourette's after the vaccine was absolutely miserable. Then I get harassed for having a non-visible exception. Covid vaccines are not for everyone. Good luck finding a doctor who will tell you the truth though.
  - good8675309 4y ago
    Here's data: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36602621/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36602621/
  - fidgewidge 4y ago
    You might not know if they did. A lot of health problems that our friends experienced after the shots can be hidden. Messed up periods, getting COVID repeatedly (like 3x a year), difficulty doing exercise and so on. If someone trusts you, they might talk to you about them. If you've been praising the wonderful science then they aren't gonna open up because why would they? They already know you'll tell them it's all just a coincidence and won't be sympathetic anyway.
kuhewa 4y ago
I got 4th right before an intl trip and wanted to take advantage of the initial high protection from infection. I have yet to get the virus to my knowledge so I'll probably keep boosting.
- goodluckchuck 4y ago
  I find it hard to believe that anyone hasn’t had it due to how viruses work. Vaccines inherently require infection to work. If the virus never enters your respiratory system then the shot has no opportunity to work. Instead vaccines prevent symptoms by reducing the viral load. However, like HIV, herpes, chicken pox, etc. people who have been infected generally carry the virus for life and can continue to spread it for life depend on their current viral load. Odds are that you have caught a couple strains of post-2018 COVID, even if you’ve never been sick.
  - kuhewa 4y ago
    > Odds are that you have caught a couple strains of post-2018 COVID, even if you’ve never been sick. We didn't have a case until intentionally opening border restrictions once vaccines had been distributed, and once we did we were masking long after people forgot about them in the US, so my window to get infected has been quite a bit shorter than most. I don't think I would have been exposed to Delta or earlier dominant strains at all, but it's true I could have had a silent Omicron infection. Asymptomatic infection is kind of a moot point though because it isn't going to generate the robust immune response of a 'real' infection, my point being since I don't have the well rounded immunity conferred by infection + vaccination I have plenty to gain from continuing to boost (not that infection obviates the need for boosters to maintain immunity after a few months). Btw, no, you do not hang on to persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection and spread it for life unless you are severely immunocompromised.
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good8675309 4y ago
I doubt people are going to respond that didn't receive it, after being publicly attacked and shamed for 2 years. Now everyone wants to just act like that mass psychosis never happened.
- SoftTalker 4y ago
  I got one shot, the J&J. Didn't want it, but was being threatened with termination at work. Have not had any boosters, and work has since dropped all their vaccine requirements.
  - msandford 4y ago
    It's weird that it goes from a fireable offense to "whatever, I guess" in such a short time isn't it?
    - acdha 4y ago
      It makes more sense when you remember the stated purpose: preventing spread. Once Omicron ratcheted the spread rate up by an order of magnitude and demonstrated enough evasion that the original vaccines couldn’t plausibly prevent enough transmission, that changed from a shared model where everyone is masked & vaccinated to stop the pandemic to a more individual risk tolerance question. In the former case, having a firm policy to get vaccination rates over the critical threshold to halt spread has a reasonable justification: we literally can’t do that without you.
      - VagueMag 4y ago
        The problem is, all these mandates were instituted long after the Provincetown study, which made it clear that Delta was also exhibiting significant vaccine escape and herd immunity was impossible. Any notions of "stop the pandemic" were absurd past that point. A lot was missing from the original trials as well. No study of impact on transmission, no routine testing to detect asymptomatic cases.
      - junofan 4y ago
johnchristopher 4y ago
FWIW I am planning to go to an homeless centre and lie that I haven't had my 2rd booster (which I had in september). I took the opportunity to get the 2nd booster early in september because our gov. told us it was important and there was some stock that would have gone bad so people could volunteer (and they were announcing a spike infection). But it was a bivalent wuhan/delta, not the wuhan/omicron that was made available 2 weeks after I had the shot (we were told those wouldn't be available until this year.. damn lies). There are no campaign for a 3rd booster in my country, and it doesn't look like they are planning to so far (which is an entirely different story). I have to read a bit more to evaluate if it's safe or not before I act on my plan. To be clear, I had: first dose: 2 MRNA shots, then a first booster then a second booster. Planning to get a 3rd.
rsfern 4y ago
I got a fourth round, bivalent pfizer/BioNTech flavor, a couple weeks before I went to a conference in Boston. Didn’t get Covid there (a bunch of people I was with did), but there’s no way to know how much that was just luck. I had a minimal reaction compared to the moderna ones I had for the first three moderna doses I had, I think because of the lower dose.
acdha 4y ago
Definitely: they’re safe and effective against severe cases even if the current variants mean we don’t have a chance at a sterilizing vaccine for a while.
- yucky 4y ago
  > they’re safe and effective against severe cases The majority of people now being hospitalized and dying of Covid are vaccinated.[1] How is that safe and effective? You want to argue you're better off being vaccinated vs unvaccinated, you make that argument. Nobody gets to call it safe and effective anymore, the data says it's not true. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate...
  - moistly 4y ago
    If 100% of the population was vaccinated, 100% of the hospitalization and deaths would be of vaccinated people. Can you see how your argument is so very stupid? Edit: post limited, so I’m going to dump this here and not further engage in refuting such inane idiocy: > Full dose vaccination reduced the need for ICU admission by 49.7% (95% CI = 17-70) and mortality by 56.5% (95% CI = 20-77). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36129790/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36129790/ EVERY study shows that vaccination is extremely effective in reducing hospitalization and mortality.
    - yucky 4y ago
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      - acdha 4y ago
        Again, you have to look at the rates. When most people are vaccinated at least partially that just tells you that the larger population is larger. What you instead want to look at are the rates between comparable groups. Here are some examples from 3 separate publications, all recent: > Among more than 700,000 participants age 65 and older, who either had the bivalent or did not, there was an 81% reduction of Covid hospitalizations (Figure below) and an 86% reduction of deaths. > Here are the data for age 65 and older, showing marked protection vs. hospitalization ranging from 73 to 84%, comparing not only to those unvaccinated but also those individuals who had been vaccinated and boosted. A second report was for all adults age 18 and up, showing bivalent booster 38 to 57% effectiveness vs hospitalization, which is consistent, but of lower magnitude than for seniors. This would be expected in a lower risk group with a high incidence of infections in the unvaccinated controls. > During November, for people age 65 and older, there was a 90% reduction of hospitalizations for the bivalent vs unvaccinated, a 13.5-fold increased risk of hospitalization for the latter group, and 2.5 fold higher rate among seniors vaccinated but without a bivalent booster. https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-bivalent-vaccine-booster-outperforms https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-bivalent-vaccine-booste...
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TMWNN 4y ago
>tangent: but are any of you still getting boosters? Like 4th, 5th shots and stuff. As always, 4chan is one step ahead <https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg>
Izkata 4y ago
I didn't even get the originals. The lies and coercion had me suspicious before they were available to my age group, and I'm glad I put it off.
senectus1 4y ago
I went to 4, still haven't had covid, same for my wife and FiL. Both my young kids had 2 shots and both got covid. Next flu season i intend to get my 5th.

boplicity 4y ago

Of course -- why wouldn't I? They're free, effective, and extremely low risk.

msandford 4y ago
Man I sure wish I shared your certainty on the subject. It would make my life a lot easier.
- boplicity 4y ago
  I'm sure you're certain about quite a few things -- you just probably don't spend time thinking about them, hence them not "registering" as things you're certain about.
latchkey 4y ago
I've just been lazy to get the 4th, but I don't have any reason not to. I also haven't had covid yet (that I know of), so whatever I've been doing these last few years seems to have been working (primarily, I just wear a mask in enclosed public spaces). I've noticed that there is a lot of anti-vax stuff surfacing on Twitter recently though (thanks Elon!), so maybe that is where the OP's comment is coming from. For example: https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1614876088081211392 https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1614876088081211392 and the correct response (from Aug 2021): https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/1425803502274629639 https://twitter.com/BadVaccineTakes/status/14258035022746296...
PathOfEclipse 4y ago
Nothing is free. Some things are just paid for in other ways like taxes, debt, and inflation. Also, I know zero people personally who've been seeiously affected by COVID. However,I personally know one pro vaccine person who was hospitalized by a heart attack immediately after his third shot. To date there has only been a single prospective study on post vaccination myocarditis: https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196 https://www.mdpi.com/2414-6366/7/8/196 The study estimates that risk of myocarditis is much, much higher than previously reported. We simply don't have the data because reporting has not been stringent and no one is doing the appropriate research: https://youtu.be/2mWZY6vmdBM https://youtu.be/2mWZY6vmdBM
- spoils19 4y ago
  This is the salient point here. Despite the data showing effectiveness of vaccines, all it takes is one personal connection to have a negative response to make me swear to never take one again. Much like this user, I think the pandemic was a blessing in disguise to show me who the real free thinkers are, and who is simply a sheep following what others say is best.
  - pupppet 4y ago
    Are you a sheep if those 'others' are the majority of medical professionals?
    - VagueMag 4y ago
      It depends? Medical professionals are certainly not some kind of infallible bloc. Ignaz Semmelweis, who advocated for hand washing before delivering babies, was mocked and derided by doctors at the time. Then there's this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160252712000854 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602...
- dickersnoodle 4y ago
  From the abstract: "The clinical presentation of myopericarditis after vaccination was usually mild and temporary, with all cases fully recovering within 14 days." And as for your example, there are two things to keep in mind: 1) "Data" is not the plural of "anecdote", so saying you don't know anyone who's been seriously affected by COVID isn't very clear. How many people do you know who have had it? How do you know they weren't seriously affected by COVID? Were they related, or were they random individuals? Sampling error is a real thing. 2) Correlation does not equal causation. One person hospitalized with a heart attack after his third shot could be due to lots of things, including random chance or a hidden heart condition that was just pushed over the edge by his body's immune response to the vaccine.
  - madman2890 4y ago
yucky 4y ago
How are we defining effective? Everyone I know has gotten Covid regardless of how many vaccinations/boosters.
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  They define effective using a complicated statistical derivative that inverts the data. This is mostly visible in UK data and other occasional studies, because most public health reports hide the true numbers. UK does now too but for the longest time published both pre and post adjustment data. The actual effectiveness, as defined by case rates by vaccine status, have been strongly negative for a long time. Around a year now. Vaccinated people catch COVID a lot more often than unvaccinated people do. The reason they claim effectiveness is they use an adjustment procedure to try and correct for "bias". The procedure dates from before COVID. It breaks if people can volunteer to get tested, by making the vaccines look more effective. They don't care because it turns bad news into good news. Also they classify people as vaccinated weeks after someone gets the shot. Negative consequences from the shot are then assigned to the unvaccinated cohort. Again they shouldn't use stats that way but they do. Real effectiveness is negative.
  - lostmsu 4y ago
    > Real effectiveness is negative. Your whole comment reeks BS. I don't see any plausible explanation for _negative_ effectiveness. And you don't link any data to support your point.
    - VagueMag 4y ago
      These comment threads are all posted on a link to a scientific paper showing that mRNA vaccines may cause class switching to a type of antibodies which cause tolerance (reduced immune response) to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Vaccine enhanced disease is not a new phenomenon and not outside the realm of possibility for the COVID vaccines.
    - fidgewidge 4y ago
      I was once like you. When I first learned about negative effectiveness I thought that was crazy. That's not possible surely? Hah. I was such a child. It can happen, has happened in the past with other vaccines and has now happened in a big way with COVID vaccines. The biological mechanisms are well known by immunologists for many years, look for "OAS" and imprinting. Or heck read the fine article we're discussing on this thread, which is about the body making the wrong sort of antibodies due to over-exposure (which makes it easier to become infected). You don't have to believe me. Maybe you'll believe Dr Fauci: https://youtu.be/uagsb4wii3E?t=3401 https://youtu.be/uagsb4wii3E?t=3401 so when you have that many people in a trial 56:41 not only are you looking to see if it works but you're constantly keeping your eye 56:47 on safety to make sure that a vaccine actually doesn't enhance disease He says they have to watch to make sure vaccines don't enhance disease, because negative effectiveness is a problem that's occurred in the past especially with HIV vaccines. So now we established that my comment doesn't reek of BS, here's data on covid vaxx negative efficacy: https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigenic-in-denmark https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/theres-something-antigeni... https://dailysceptic.org/tag/negative-efficacy/ https://dailysceptic.org/tag/negative-efficacy/ Follow the white rabbit but don't use search engines. Searching the obvious queries on both google and duckduckgo gives back CDC propaganda and none of the results actually discuss negative efficacy. The extent of the coverup is pathetic.
VagueMag 4y ago
"extremely low risk" could still be of marginal benefit depending on how high your risk is for severe outcomes from COVID. It could be quite low if you are reasonably young, in good health, and have already recovered from an infection.

HappySweeney 4y ago

I just got my 5th, and opted for Novavax this round due to this very study.

latchkey 4y ago
Neat. "The spike protein in this vaccine is produced in insect cells; the Matrix M-adjuvant contains saponin extracts from the bark of the Soapbark tree that is native to Chile."
TMWNN 4y ago
>I just got my 5th Is this you? <https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg>

jeroenhd 4y ago

Sure, mostly because I can get them just around the corner anyway. I'll take any free vaccination offered to me, really.

yonaguska 4y ago

I know a couple that just got the bivalent boosters. Their teenage son got the first two shots, and subsequently developed a face tick/twitch. But their doctor told them it was nothing to worry about, just dry eye. These are people that I had spoken to in the past about the pointlessness of these vaccines in kids...but, oh well. I hope their son doesn't have any long term issues.

SECProto 4y ago
An anecdote is not data. I know about twenty couples (half are relatives, the rest friends and coworkers) who have gotten bivalent boosters, whose children have gotten 3-4 shots, and none of them have had any issues.
- yonaguska 4y ago
  You're right, it's not data. I'm glad that none of those children have had any issues. Unfortunately, we'll probably never have any real data, as long as the signals that these vaccines aren't exactly safe, especially for young men, keep getting ignored. How many anecdotes and coincidences will it take for serious monitoring to take place?
- iinnPP 4y ago
  An anecdote is data. Whether or not it influences you or another person is another topic. I have never heard of the face ticks but I do experience them as a part of Tourette's Syndrome. My Tourette's after the vaccine was absolutely miserable. Then I get harassed for having a non-visible exception. Covid vaccines are not for everyone. Good luck finding a doctor who will tell you the truth though.
- good8675309 4y ago
  Here's data: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36602621/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36602621/
- fidgewidge 4y ago
  You might not know if they did. A lot of health problems that our friends experienced after the shots can be hidden. Messed up periods, getting COVID repeatedly (like 3x a year), difficulty doing exercise and so on. If someone trusts you, they might talk to you about them. If you've been praising the wonderful science then they aren't gonna open up because why would they? They already know you'll tell them it's all just a coincidence and won't be sympathetic anyway.

kuhewa 4y ago

I got 4th right before an intl trip and wanted to take advantage of the initial high protection from infection. I have yet to get the virus to my knowledge so I'll probably keep boosting.

goodluckchuck 4y ago
I find it hard to believe that anyone hasn’t had it due to how viruses work. Vaccines inherently require infection to work. If the virus never enters your respiratory system then the shot has no opportunity to work. Instead vaccines prevent symptoms by reducing the viral load. However, like HIV, herpes, chicken pox, etc. people who have been infected generally carry the virus for life and can continue to spread it for life depend on their current viral load. Odds are that you have caught a couple strains of post-2018 COVID, even if you’ve never been sick.
- kuhewa 4y ago
  > Odds are that you have caught a couple strains of post-2018 COVID, even if you’ve never been sick. We didn't have a case until intentionally opening border restrictions once vaccines had been distributed, and once we did we were masking long after people forgot about them in the US, so my window to get infected has been quite a bit shorter than most. I don't think I would have been exposed to Delta or earlier dominant strains at all, but it's true I could have had a silent Omicron infection. Asymptomatic infection is kind of a moot point though because it isn't going to generate the robust immune response of a 'real' infection, my point being since I don't have the well rounded immunity conferred by infection + vaccination I have plenty to gain from continuing to boost (not that infection obviates the need for boosters to maintain immunity after a few months). Btw, no, you do not hang on to persistent SARS-CoV-2 infection and spread it for life unless you are severely immunocompromised.
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good8675309 4y ago

I doubt people are going to respond that didn't receive it, after being publicly attacked and shamed for 2 years. Now everyone wants to just act like that mass psychosis never happened.

SoftTalker 4y ago
I got one shot, the J&J. Didn't want it, but was being threatened with termination at work. Have not had any boosters, and work has since dropped all their vaccine requirements.
- msandford 4y ago
  It's weird that it goes from a fireable offense to "whatever, I guess" in such a short time isn't it?
  - acdha 4y ago
    It makes more sense when you remember the stated purpose: preventing spread. Once Omicron ratcheted the spread rate up by an order of magnitude and demonstrated enough evasion that the original vaccines couldn’t plausibly prevent enough transmission, that changed from a shared model where everyone is masked & vaccinated to stop the pandemic to a more individual risk tolerance question. In the former case, having a firm policy to get vaccination rates over the critical threshold to halt spread has a reasonable justification: we literally can’t do that without you.
    - VagueMag 4y ago
      The problem is, all these mandates were instituted long after the Provincetown study, which made it clear that Delta was also exhibiting significant vaccine escape and herd immunity was impossible. Any notions of "stop the pandemic" were absurd past that point. A lot was missing from the original trials as well. No study of impact on transmission, no routine testing to detect asymptomatic cases.
    - junofan 4y ago

johnchristopher 4y ago

FWIW I am planning to go to an homeless centre and lie that I haven't had my 2rd booster (which I had in september). I took the opportunity to get the 2nd booster early in september because our gov. told us it was important and there was some stock that would have gone bad so people could volunteer (and they were announcing a spike infection). But it was a bivalent wuhan/delta, not the wuhan/omicron that was made available 2 weeks after I had the shot (we were told those wouldn't be available until this year.. damn lies). There are no campaign for a 3rd booster in my country, and it doesn't look like they are planning to so far (which is an entirely different story). I have to read a bit more to evaluate if it's safe or not before I act on my plan. To be clear, I had: first dose: 2 MRNA shots, then a first booster then a second booster. Planning to get a 3rd.

rsfern 4y ago

I got a fourth round, bivalent pfizer/BioNTech flavor, a couple weeks before I went to a conference in Boston. Didn’t get Covid there (a bunch of people I was with did), but there’s no way to know how much that was just luck. I had a minimal reaction compared to the moderna ones I had for the first three moderna doses I had, I think because of the lower dose.

acdha 4y ago

Definitely: they’re safe and effective against severe cases even if the current variants mean we don’t have a chance at a sterilizing vaccine for a while.

yucky 4y ago
> they’re safe and effective against severe cases The majority of people now being hospitalized and dying of Covid are vaccinated.[1] How is that safe and effective? You want to argue you're better off being vaccinated vs unvaccinated, you make that argument. Nobody gets to call it safe and effective anymore, the data says it's not true. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinate...
- moistly 4y ago
  If 100% of the population was vaccinated, 100% of the hospitalization and deaths would be of vaccinated people. Can you see how your argument is so very stupid? Edit: post limited, so I’m going to dump this here and not further engage in refuting such inane idiocy: > Full dose vaccination reduced the need for ICU admission by 49.7% (95% CI = 17-70) and mortality by 56.5% (95% CI = 20-77). https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36129790/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36129790/ EVERY study shows that vaccination is extremely effective in reducing hospitalization and mortality.
  - yucky 4y ago
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    - acdha 4y ago
      Again, you have to look at the rates. When most people are vaccinated at least partially that just tells you that the larger population is larger. What you instead want to look at are the rates between comparable groups. Here are some examples from 3 separate publications, all recent: > Among more than 700,000 participants age 65 and older, who either had the bivalent or did not, there was an 81% reduction of Covid hospitalizations (Figure below) and an 86% reduction of deaths. > Here are the data for age 65 and older, showing marked protection vs. hospitalization ranging from 73 to 84%, comparing not only to those unvaccinated but also those individuals who had been vaccinated and boosted. A second report was for all adults age 18 and up, showing bivalent booster 38 to 57% effectiveness vs hospitalization, which is consistent, but of lower magnitude than for seniors. This would be expected in a lower risk group with a high incidence of infections in the unvaccinated controls. > During November, for people age 65 and older, there was a 90% reduction of hospitalizations for the bivalent vs unvaccinated, a 13.5-fold increased risk of hospitalization for the latter group, and 2.5 fold higher rate among seniors vaccinated but without a bivalent booster. https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-bivalent-vaccine-booster-outperforms https://erictopol.substack.com/p/the-bivalent-vaccine-booste...

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TMWNN 4y ago

>tangent: but are any of you still getting boosters? Like 4th, 5th shots and stuff. As always, 4chan is one step ahead <https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg https://i.redd.it/08qwj2r4kyw61.jpg>

Izkata 4y ago

I didn't even get the originals. The lies and coercion had me suspicious before they were available to my age group, and I'm glad I put it off.

senectus1 4y ago

I went to 4, still haven't had covid, same for my wife and FiL. Both my young kids had 2 shots and both got covid. Next flu season i intend to get my 5th.