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Also better amplification - many smartphones don't have the power to drive more demanding pairs of headphones. > earphone remotes I've had a variety of DAPs,

Also better amplification - many smartphones don't have the power to drive more demanding pairs of headphones. > earphone remotes I've had a variety of DAPs, and they almost all support both Bluetooth controls, as well as inline volume up/down. Not sure what else you'd mean by 'earphone remotes'.

sandreas 4y ago
> Not sure what else you'd mean by 'earphone remotes'. Basically every remote that is on headphones with a cable. Apple devices can nearly all be controlled by e.g. the remote of EarPods, from iPod to iPhone, even MacBooks with 3,5mm plug support these controls: vol+ [upper button] play / pause [middle button] vol- [lower button] next [double tap play] previous [triple tap play] fastfwd [double tap play AND hold on second tap] rewind [triple tap play AND hold on third tap] Unfortunately Apple uses CTIA specs and most non Apple devices use OMTP - so EarPods do not work the same way on Android devices and Android apps often do not support all of these shortcuts. https://thecablesland.com/ctia-vs-omtp/ https://thecablesland.com/ctia-vs-omtp/ Apple really did a good job for the controls, but the hardware (earpods) are really poor quality compared to similar priced in ears (e.g. house of marley or soundmagic e50c).
- noxvilleza 4y ago
  Gotcha, I didn't know the names off-hand but turns out this doc I'd read does have them specified[https://source.android.com/docs/core/interaction/accessories/headset/jack-headset-spec https://source.android.com/docs/core/interaction/accessories...]. I don't have any Apple products so definitely something that flew under my radar.
diffeomorphism 4y ago
> many smartphones don't have the power to drive more demanding pairs of headphones. Could you give an example? Most modern headphones (HD 6xx, dt 770 pro 250 Ohm, Audio Technica MSR 7 here) seems to be very efficient and work just fine with modern devices in my experience. Is that only relevant for old headphones?
- noxvilleza 4y ago
  I find most of the Beyerdynamic higher impedance headphones (including the DT770/DT990 Pro 250ohm) sound very different (especially lacking bass + sub-bass) when you try drive them on a phone. For transparency, most of my testing of this has been on slightly older phones (around 2-3 years ago) and most of the newer models don't have headphone jacks. Other phones I've got which are not driven well include: Senn HD800S, most planars including {Hifiman HE1000, Hifiman Arya, Audeze LCD-2}, . With one of the planars I own (the Dan Clark Audio Aeon 2) I've listened to them on an iPhone with an AudioQuest adapter and it sounded fine, but still the dynamics seemed much better on a proper amp.

sandreas 4y ago

> Not sure what else you'd mean by 'earphone remotes'. Basically every remote that is on headphones with a cable. Apple devices can nearly all be controlled by e.g. the remote of EarPods, from iPod to iPhone, even MacBooks with 3,5mm plug support these controls: vol+ [upper button] play / pause [middle button] vol- [lower button] next [double tap play] previous [triple tap play] fastfwd [double tap play AND hold on second tap] rewind [triple tap play AND hold on third tap] Unfortunately Apple uses CTIA specs and most non Apple devices use OMTP - so EarPods do not work the same way on Android devices and Android apps often do not support all of these shortcuts. https://thecablesland.com/ctia-vs-omtp/ https://thecablesland.com/ctia-vs-omtp/ Apple really did a good job for the controls, but the hardware (earpods) are really poor quality compared to similar priced in ears (e.g. house of marley or soundmagic e50c).

noxvilleza 4y ago
Gotcha, I didn't know the names off-hand but turns out this doc I'd read does have them specified[https://source.android.com/docs/core/interaction/accessories/headset/jack-headset-spec https://source.android.com/docs/core/interaction/accessories...]. I don't have any Apple products so definitely something that flew under my radar.

diffeomorphism 4y ago

> many smartphones don't have the power to drive more demanding pairs of headphones. Could you give an example? Most modern headphones (HD 6xx, dt 770 pro 250 Ohm, Audio Technica MSR 7 here) seems to be very efficient and work just fine with modern devices in my experience. Is that only relevant for old headphones?

noxvilleza 4y ago
I find most of the Beyerdynamic higher impedance headphones (including the DT770/DT990 Pro 250ohm) sound very different (especially lacking bass + sub-bass) when you try drive them on a phone. For transparency, most of my testing of this has been on slightly older phones (around 2-3 years ago) and most of the newer models don't have headphone jacks. Other phones I've got which are not driven well include: Senn HD800S, most planars including {Hifiman HE1000, Hifiman Arya, Audeze LCD-2}, . With one of the planars I own (the Dan Clark Audio Aeon 2) I've listened to them on an iPhone with an AudioQuest adapter and it sounded fine, but still the dynamics seemed much better on a proper amp.