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> If I form a group of people who attend hockey games to heckle and accuse Ovechkin of being a genocide supporter, can MSG kick out a new member of my organizat

> If I form a group of people who attend hockey games to heckle and accuse Ovechkin of being a genocide supporter, can MSG kick out a new member of my organization after learning of their joining? In my opinion of how it should reasonably work - MSG should be in their right to kick them out, but only after that person who joined your group gets caught disrupting the game by heckling and accusing Ovechkin. Just like any other person who gets caught doing the same. Only associating with you should never be a problem on its own (unless we are talking of group memberships that are criminal on their own, e.g., organized crime gangs).

kspacewalk2 4y ago
My Ovechkin heckling club isn't an organized crime gang, but it is an organized heckling gang of sorts. Do you propose to draw the line at criminality? Before that gavel hits the wooden saucer-like thingy though, criminality is always alleged, so we're on iffy ground here. Bringing it back to unpopular-person doing objectionable-thing that's not criminal, against popular-people, say something which will generate a lot of Twitter hullabaloo... Why should I not be able to prevent it? A far-right group heckles a drag queen reading event for children at a library, calling them "groomers" and generating shit maelstroms online and offline (I'd even say for good reason). I know this will happen, but still I must allow them entry to do the deed and (further?) traumatize 8 year olds before booting them out? Fuck that, I see a Facebook photo of a douchebag in that yellow rooster t-shirt or however these far-right losers choose to visually identify themselves these days, then I find out he's bought a ticket, then I deny him entry.
- filoleg 4y ago
  > My Ovechkin heckling club isn't an organized crime gang, but it is an organized heckling gang of sorts. Do you propose to draw the line at criminality? I propose to draw the line at organized crime affiliation when it comes to pre-emptively denying someone who hasn't done anything wrong at a big public event like that yet, yes. Worst case, you let them in, they get kicked out after they start heckling, they are banned from attending future events of that nature by the venue. Simple as that. Someone getting a chance to heckle at a massive stadium event for a minute before they get banned is not some massive risk with grave consequences. > A far-right group heckles a drag queen reading event for children at a library, calling them "groomers" and generating shit maelstroms online and offline (I'd even say for good reason). I know this will happen, but still I must allow them entry to do the deed and (further?) traumatize 8 year olds before booting them out? To address your specific scenario, no, you don't need to let them in. You are hosting your own small event at a library that doesn't require purchasing tickets, you can boot whoever you want however you want. Esp since the event is for children, I would have no qualms about any adult (who isn't a parent of one of the children attending the event or one of the organizers) just being blanket-denied entry. I.e., using an allow-list instead of a deny-list.
  - kspacewalk2 4y ago
    >To address your specific scenario, no, you don't need to let them in. You are hosting your own small event at a library that doesn't require purchasing tickets, you can boot whoever you want however you want. Esp since the event is for children, I would have no qualms about any adult (who isn't a parent of one of the children attending the event or one of the organizers) just being blanket-denied entry. I.e., using an allow-list instead of a deny-list. And if it's a Drag Reading Hour Gala at the MSG, tickets required for entry and sold online? Or, I don't know, it's an LGBT-themed music festival, with tickets sold openly online. Must I allow homophobes to disrupt a set before kicking them out, or can I kick them out purely on the basis of being members of the LGBT Concert Disrupters group on Facebook?

kspacewalk2 4y ago

My Ovechkin heckling club isn't an organized crime gang, but it is an organized heckling gang of sorts. Do you propose to draw the line at criminality? Before that gavel hits the wooden saucer-like thingy though, criminality is always alleged, so we're on iffy ground here. Bringing it back to unpopular-person doing objectionable-thing that's not criminal, against popular-people, say something which will generate a lot of Twitter hullabaloo... Why should I not be able to prevent it? A far-right group heckles a drag queen reading event for children at a library, calling them "groomers" and generating shit maelstroms online and offline (I'd even say for good reason). I know this will happen, but still I must allow them entry to do the deed and (further?) traumatize 8 year olds before booting them out? Fuck that, I see a Facebook photo of a douchebag in that yellow rooster t-shirt or however these far-right losers choose to visually identify themselves these days, then I find out he's bought a ticket, then I deny him entry.

filoleg 4y ago
> My Ovechkin heckling club isn't an organized crime gang, but it is an organized heckling gang of sorts. Do you propose to draw the line at criminality? I propose to draw the line at organized crime affiliation when it comes to pre-emptively denying someone who hasn't done anything wrong at a big public event like that yet, yes. Worst case, you let them in, they get kicked out after they start heckling, they are banned from attending future events of that nature by the venue. Simple as that. Someone getting a chance to heckle at a massive stadium event for a minute before they get banned is not some massive risk with grave consequences. > A far-right group heckles a drag queen reading event for children at a library, calling them "groomers" and generating shit maelstroms online and offline (I'd even say for good reason). I know this will happen, but still I must allow them entry to do the deed and (further?) traumatize 8 year olds before booting them out? To address your specific scenario, no, you don't need to let them in. You are hosting your own small event at a library that doesn't require purchasing tickets, you can boot whoever you want however you want. Esp since the event is for children, I would have no qualms about any adult (who isn't a parent of one of the children attending the event or one of the organizers) just being blanket-denied entry. I.e., using an allow-list instead of a deny-list.
- kspacewalk2 4y ago
  >To address your specific scenario, no, you don't need to let them in. You are hosting your own small event at a library that doesn't require purchasing tickets, you can boot whoever you want however you want. Esp since the event is for children, I would have no qualms about any adult (who isn't a parent of one of the children attending the event or one of the organizers) just being blanket-denied entry. I.e., using an allow-list instead of a deny-list. And if it's a Drag Reading Hour Gala at the MSG, tickets required for entry and sold online? Or, I don't know, it's an LGBT-themed music festival, with tickets sold openly online. Must I allow homophobes to disrupt a set before kicking them out, or can I kick them out purely on the basis of being members of the LGBT Concert Disrupters group on Facebook?