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https://github.com/google/libphonenumber/blob/master/FALSEHOODS.md https://github.com/google/libphonenumber/blob/master/FALSEHO... > 1. Some people do not own

https://github.com/google/libphonenumber/blob/master/FALSEHOODS.md https://github.com/google/libphonenumber/blob/master/FALSEHO... > 1. Some people do not own phones, or do not wish to provide you with their telephone number when asked. Do not require a user to provide a phone number unless it is essential, and whenever possible try to provide a fallback to accommodate these users. What a bunch of hypocrites.

denton-scratch 4y ago
> Do not require a user to provide a phone number unless it is essential And note that a phone number is the number for calling a telephone, not some jumped-up pager. They want a mobile number so they can send you SMS messages. I hate SMS, and I deplore it's use as a part of any kind of security protocol. If you don't intend to speak to me, you don't need my phone number. If you do, then my (VOIP) landline will serve you fine.
- kps 4y ago
  > If you don't intend to speak to me, you don't need my phone number. I would amend that just a little: If I don't intend to have you speak to me, you don't need my phone number.
jefftk 4y ago
> What a bunch of hypocrites. Is "your policies must be fully consistent with any advice given in any of your open source repos" really a standard we should hold big companies to? Because if we treat open-sourcing a text file of recommendations as the company making a statement or commitment to that effect, companies will be way more limited in what they allow their engineers to make public this way. With chilling effects that go beyond semi-humorous recommendations. ("Do you really want to try to open-source this library? You know how frustrating Legal and PR can be to deal with...")
- account42 4y ago
  I don't think we should avoid calling out companies for their bs even if that means they might avoid doing some other less shitty things.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    I think calling them out is fine! If a company has a harmful policy, definitely go ahead and say so. I'm specifically objecting here to calling them out as hypocrites, for having a policy that is in conflict with advice in one of their open source repos.
- fao_ 4y ago
  > chilling effects I don't think that term means what you think it means.
  - jefftk 4y ago
    I'm using it metaphorically here, perhaps inappropriately. What I'm trying to say is that there is a thing that is positive and we'd like to see more of (companies releasing things as open source) and there is an adjacent thing that we are considering pushing back against (companies including things in their repos which conflict with their actions). While it should be possible to discourage only the latter, in practice the effect would spill over to the former.

denton-scratch 4y ago

> Do not require a user to provide a phone number unless it is essential And note that a phone number is the number for calling a telephone, not some jumped-up pager. They want a mobile number so they can send you SMS messages. I hate SMS, and I deplore it's use as a part of any kind of security protocol. If you don't intend to speak to me, you don't need my phone number. If you do, then my (VOIP) landline will serve you fine.

kps 4y ago
> If you don't intend to speak to me, you don't need my phone number. I would amend that just a little: If I don't intend to have you speak to me, you don't need my phone number.

jefftk 4y ago

> What a bunch of hypocrites. Is "your policies must be fully consistent with any advice given in any of your open source repos" really a standard we should hold big companies to? Because if we treat open-sourcing a text file of recommendations as the company making a statement or commitment to that effect, companies will be way more limited in what they allow their engineers to make public this way. With chilling effects that go beyond semi-humorous recommendations. ("Do you really want to try to open-source this library? You know how frustrating Legal and PR can be to deal with...")

account42 4y ago
I don't think we should avoid calling out companies for their bs even if that means they might avoid doing some other less shitty things.
- jefftk 4y ago
  I think calling them out is fine! If a company has a harmful policy, definitely go ahead and say so. I'm specifically objecting here to calling them out as hypocrites, for having a policy that is in conflict with advice in one of their open source repos.
fao_ 4y ago
> chilling effects I don't think that term means what you think it means.
- jefftk 4y ago
  I'm using it metaphorically here, perhaps inappropriately. What I'm trying to say is that there is a thing that is positive and we'd like to see more of (companies releasing things as open source) and there is an adjacent thing that we are considering pushing back against (companies including things in their repos which conflict with their actions). While it should be possible to discourage only the latter, in practice the effect would spill over to the former.