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Both sides have grievances. You could equally well say that Madison Square Garden has a grievance against the lawyers. Even Wikipedia blocks people who have m

by Jiro 4y ago

Both sides have grievances. You could equally well say that Madison Square Garden has a grievance against the lawyers. Even Wikipedia blocks people who have made legal threats. You don't even have to actually sue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_legal_threats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_legal_threats

dctoedt 4y ago
> Even Wikipedia blocks people who have made legal threats. You've misread the Wikipedia policy that you linked to; it says: "Do not post legal threats on Wikipedia. ... Users who post legal threats on Wikipedia are typically blocked from editing while the threats are outstanding." (Emphasis added.) The rest of the page goes on to emphasize that this doesn't preclude people from engaging Wikipedia about legal issues.
- xp84 4y ago
  It's also a block on EDITING, not even a block from being in the audience of Wikipedia by reading. This would be like M.S.G. refusing to let the lawyers rent the venue, be employed by M.S.G., operate a concessions stand in M.S.G. etc. Which I would find highly understandable.
krisoft 4y ago
> Both sides have grievances. You could equally well say that Madison Square Garden has a grievance against the lawyers. Don't be daft. Getting sued when you are a big business is not a grievance. It is a conflict resolution mechanism for grievances. It is already hard enough for regular people to win against big companies. Do you think if we let the companies bully the lawyers representing these people that is going to help with that? Here is an example: A brick falling from a badly maintained facade smashes into your car. Luckily nobody is seriously hurt, but the car can't be driven until it is fixed. You think the facade's owner (the person who decided to not maintain it) should pay for it. When you ask them they stonewall you, and you are getting nowhere. You call a lawyer but they just hang up the phone when you explain why you are calling. You call an other lawyer and the same happens. The seventh lawyer takes pity on you and explains to you that the owner of the badly maintained facade also owns a significant portion of all entertainment venues, and petrol stations and grocery stores in the state. If he even just suspects that a lawyer helped you, his hired goons will make the lawyer's life pretty unpleasant. And then the seventh lawyer also hangs up on you. Do you want to live in this world? Do you think society will be richer/happier by living in this world?

by Jiro 4y ago

dctoedt 4y ago

> Even Wikipedia blocks people who have made legal threats. You've misread the Wikipedia policy that you linked to; it says: "Do not post legal threats on Wikipedia. ... Users who post legal threats on Wikipedia are typically blocked from editing while the threats are outstanding." (Emphasis added.) The rest of the page goes on to emphasize that this doesn't preclude people from engaging Wikipedia about legal issues.

xp84 4y ago
It's also a block on EDITING, not even a block from being in the audience of Wikipedia by reading. This would be like M.S.G. refusing to let the lawyers rent the venue, be employed by M.S.G., operate a concessions stand in M.S.G. etc. Which I would find highly understandable.

krisoft 4y ago

> Both sides have grievances. You could equally well say that Madison Square Garden has a grievance against the lawyers. Don't be daft. Getting sued when you are a big business is not a grievance. It is a conflict resolution mechanism for grievances. It is already hard enough for regular people to win against big companies. Do you think if we let the companies bully the lawyers representing these people that is going to help with that? Here is an example: A brick falling from a badly maintained facade smashes into your car. Luckily nobody is seriously hurt, but the car can't be driven until it is fixed. You think the facade's owner (the person who decided to not maintain it) should pay for it. When you ask them they stonewall you, and you are getting nowhere. You call a lawyer but they just hang up the phone when you explain why you are calling. You call an other lawyer and the same happens. The seventh lawyer takes pity on you and explains to you that the owner of the badly maintained facade also owns a significant portion of all entertainment venues, and petrol stations and grocery stores in the state. If he even just suspects that a lawyer helped you, his hired goons will make the lawyer's life pretty unpleasant. And then the seventh lawyer also hangs up on you. Do you want to live in this world? Do you think society will be richer/happier by living in this world?