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> Companies like Microsoft do their research. Having worked at many companies over the years I feel like you are giving Microsoft way more credit than it proba

> Companies like Microsoft do their research. Having worked at many companies over the years I feel like you are giving Microsoft way more credit than it probably deserves. Politics plays a huge role in decision making, and in my experience, when it comes to UI/UX, politics accounts for 80% or more of choices. I find it really hard to convince myself that Windows' scatterbrain UX with layers of half done redesign on top of each other is the result of careful planning and research. I'm sure they do the research, and look at feedback. I just don't think it has any bearing on decision making.

D13Fd 4y ago
Yeah. It feels more like they have a long to-do list of settings menus to update and they just can never quite get through it.
Atheros 4y ago
"Politics" doesn't explain the change. Politics in corporations was just as bad in the 90s as it is today, if not worse. Separately, I didn't say anything about "careful planning", I only said "research". And that the research is telling them to make the UIs look flat and non-skeuomorphic. > scatterbrain UX with layers of half done redesign No one here claimed that they succeeded ;-)
BuckyBeaver 4y ago
This is true. I was a senior developer at Apple for a decade, and if you think they follow some rigorous UI-vetting process (or even user testing in many cases), you’re wrong. There are probably exceptions, but it’s not a company-wide norm. I also think the fashion theory is wrong. In fact, it’s backward. Younger users didn’t demand these regressions; they’re simply more used to lazy, shitty design and the absence of the visual cues and standards that made GUIs so intuitive in the first place. So, for example, they are more likely to tap or click on a plain text label to see if it’s a control than those of us who expect controls to be demarcated as such. But once those regressions become the norm, the better designs are indeed recognizable as “older.” Thus we all suffer a decline in design quality. Windows is now an unmitigated UI shítshow. Fortunately we’re finally seeing some backlash against “flat” (AKA no) design.
- anthk 4y ago
  Some flatish themes can be good. Mac System 7, or Zukitre. Because the buttons have contrast and they are marked as such.
  - BuckyBeaver 4y ago
    Yes. Cheesy skeuomorphism caused a massive overcorrection. It’s time to get back to some subtle bevels and highlights and stop dicking with it.

D13Fd 4y ago

Yeah. It feels more like they have a long to-do list of settings menus to update and they just can never quite get through it.

Atheros 4y ago

"Politics" doesn't explain the change. Politics in corporations was just as bad in the 90s as it is today, if not worse. Separately, I didn't say anything about "careful planning", I only said "research". And that the research is telling them to make the UIs look flat and non-skeuomorphic. > scatterbrain UX with layers of half done redesign No one here claimed that they succeeded ;-)

BuckyBeaver 4y ago

This is true. I was a senior developer at Apple for a decade, and if you think they follow some rigorous UI-vetting process (or even user testing in many cases), you’re wrong. There are probably exceptions, but it’s not a company-wide norm. I also think the fashion theory is wrong. In fact, it’s backward. Younger users didn’t demand these regressions; they’re simply more used to lazy, shitty design and the absence of the visual cues and standards that made GUIs so intuitive in the first place. So, for example, they are more likely to tap or click on a plain text label to see if it’s a control than those of us who expect controls to be demarcated as such. But once those regressions become the norm, the better designs are indeed recognizable as “older.” Thus we all suffer a decline in design quality. Windows is now an unmitigated UI shítshow. Fortunately we’re finally seeing some backlash against “flat” (AKA no) design.

anthk 4y ago
Some flatish themes can be good. Mac System 7, or Zukitre. Because the buttons have contrast and they are marked as such.
- BuckyBeaver 4y ago
  Yes. Cheesy skeuomorphism caused a massive overcorrection. It’s time to get back to some subtle bevels and highlights and stop dicking with it.