True, but that only pushes the question of value down the line. I'm curious about lenses because Java did have a serious problem that required a solution: work

True, but that only pushes the question of value down the line. I'm curious about lenses because Java did have a serious problem that required a solution: working with "simple" data correctly was difficult. The chosen solution was ADTs, so we did buy into that. But the approach being explored for transforming records (https://github.com/openjdk/amber-docs/blob/master/eg-drafts/reconstruction-records-and-classes.md https://github.com/openjdk/amber-docs/blob/master/eg-drafts/...) only works one level at a time rather than for an entire path. So I wonder how valuable it would be to have a solution for paths. If the answer is that it's mostly valuable for an approach we haven't bought into yet, then we might not need to consider it just yet.