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I see this issue as the same issue seen by the MPAA when looking at piracy. The tech is there. It won't ever leave. If you cut off one head, three will repla

by iinnPP 4y ago

I see this issue as the same issue seen by the MPAA when looking at piracy. The tech is there. It won't ever leave. If you cut off one head, three will replace it. In my opinion: Copyright is a failure and the absolute best move, with the advantage AI has given to everyone, is to abolish copyright.

IYasha 4y ago
Probably, yes. But I'm not really trying to put up a copyright barrier to enforce or sue people. I at least want to have a way of telling AI developers "please don't do that".
dns_snek 4y ago
This is completely different from piracy which is enabled by a distributed network of individuals who have strength in numbers, it would be impossible to prosecute them all. On the other hand copyright laws are extremely effective in stopping legal entities from distributing copyrighted content without repercussions. These advanced AI models will be trained and licensed by current and future corporations. A law or judicial precedent that denies "fair use" when it comes to machine learning would stop OpenAI and GitHub Copilot dead in their tracks. I'm not that worried about Billy's home-brewed AI model, it's just something we'll have to accept, but stopping exploitation on the scale of $billions would get us 99.9% of the way there. > In my opinion: Copyright is a failure and the absolute best move, with the advantage AI has given to everyone, is to abolish copyright. I agree with this. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of introducing 2 different sets of rules which completely correlate with wealth; companies being allowed to bypass copyright laws to train their models and make money from "our" work, while retaining copyright over their software and trained models. I might agree with machine learning using "fair use" as a defense iff the datasets, trained models, and all accompanying software are released into the public domain. This way everyone gets to benefit from these technological advancements.

by iinnPP 4y ago

IYasha 4y ago

Probably, yes. But I'm not really trying to put up a copyright barrier to enforce or sue people. I at least want to have a way of telling AI developers "please don't do that".

dns_snek 4y ago

This is completely different from piracy which is enabled by a distributed network of individuals who have strength in numbers, it would be impossible to prosecute them all. On the other hand copyright laws are extremely effective in stopping legal entities from distributing copyrighted content without repercussions. These advanced AI models will be trained and licensed by current and future corporations. A law or judicial precedent that denies "fair use" when it comes to machine learning would stop OpenAI and GitHub Copilot dead in their tracks. I'm not that worried about Billy's home-brewed AI model, it's just something we'll have to accept, but stopping exploitation on the scale of $billions would get us 99.9% of the way there. > In my opinion: Copyright is a failure and the absolute best move, with the advantage AI has given to everyone, is to abolish copyright. I agree with this. I fundamentally disagree with the idea of introducing 2 different sets of rules which completely correlate with wealth; companies being allowed to bypass copyright laws to train their models and make money from "our" work, while retaining copyright over their software and trained models. I might agree with machine learning using "fair use" as a defense iff the datasets, trained models, and all accompanying software are released into the public domain. This way everyone gets to benefit from these technological advancements.