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Deep frying, processed meat, air pollution and lack of supersize. But then I believe everyone it entitled to their vice. So please no "forbidding" (as with rec

by cies 4y ago

Deep frying, processed meat, air pollution and lack of supersize. But then I believe everyone it entitled to their vice. So please no "forbidding" (as with recreational drugs) but some heavy taxes. The forbidding lead to smth else becoming very dangerous for public health: US police.

looseyesterday 4y ago
Yes I agree. I love a good deep-fried chicken and chips as much as anyone. But it should be an occasional treat rather than the cheapest / easiest option to get. Eating healthy is expensive, so its not surprising that most people dont. Tax could help a lot but so could choice architecture, putting fatty / sugary foods out of reach and healthy alternatives at eye level could help alot
- cies 4y ago
  > Tax could help a lot but so could choice architecture, putting fatty / sugary foods out of reach and healthy alternatives at eye level could help alot I dont like too much govt intervention. Taxing something into oblivion, and forbidding ads seems to me the most acceptable things a govt should be able to implement. Bit like smoking (as OP said).
  - looseyesterday 4y ago
    The thing is there is already company intervention in all this. Supermarkets charge money for the best shelf space. Companies put items with high sugar / fat /salt content on easy to reach items because they are more addictive and lead to further purchases. The consumers are not making an informed choice but are being heavily influenced to do something that is bad for them.
navane 4y ago
Sure everyone is entitled to their vice, but should we provide healthcare to people that are consciously, actively destroying their own health? Should we treat lung cancer in smokers? Should we treat diseases in anti-vaccers? Taxing vices makes them proportionally more expensive for the have-nots, without solving any issue. No one gives up smoking or drinking because they don't have the money for it. I say don't forbid, don't tax, but let there be consequences. It must be very frustrating for medical personal to deal with anti-vaccers and heavy smokers. You buy sigarets? Just sign this waiver. Don't get vaccinated? Don't get a check in the system for future treatment.
- cies 4y ago
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  - ciphol 4y ago
    > Haha... Seriously? This is the narrative that was pushed indeed. Now it turns out that many people ravaged their health with these untested mRNA treatments. Search for myocarditis (even my GP now knows about this). Conspiracy theories much? Myocarditis is extremely rare after mRNA vaccine. Since it's much more common after covid infection, and mRNA vaccines have a significant (though not perfect) preventative effect against infection, these vaccines have significantly decreased the incidence of myocarditis, not increased it. And mRNA vaccines weren't "untested" in 2020 - they'd been under development for nearly 50 years at that point, and the covid ones had been through a series of clinical trials (aka "tests") before becoming available to the public.
    - cies 4y ago
      But then myocarditis is not the only side effect they've hidden from the public. The test data they were eventually ordered to publish (they wanted to hide it for 75 years) show very shitty testing standards. For me that's untested. >they'd been under development for nearly 50 years at that point if they'd been tested okay 50y ago, they'd been on the market then. tested and approved are two different things.
  - snozolli 4y ago
    Now it turns out that many people ravaged their health with these untested mRNA treatments. You are spreading dangerous misinformation. The vaccines resulted in around a doubling of myocarditis risk, which is still a ridiculously small number. Meanwhile, COVID-19 infection in an unvaccinated person resulted in a myocarditis rate SEVEN TIMES HIGHER than the vaccinated population. I'm not supporting GP's assertion, but you're spreading FUD.
    - cies 4y ago
      >You are spreading dangerous misinformation. The "safe and effective" slogan was dangerous misinformation. They tried to put their trail data under the rug for 75 year: the a judge had to order them to disclose it. Now we know it was known not to be safe- nor effective. The doc have been published in a book: see War Room Pfizer Documents. > Meanwhile, COVID-19 infection in an unvaccinated person resulted in a myocarditis rate SEVEN TIMES HIGHER than the vaccinated population. source?

by cies 4y ago

looseyesterday 4y ago

Yes I agree. I love a good deep-fried chicken and chips as much as anyone. But it should be an occasional treat rather than the cheapest / easiest option to get. Eating healthy is expensive, so its not surprising that most people dont. Tax could help a lot but so could choice architecture, putting fatty / sugary foods out of reach and healthy alternatives at eye level could help alot

cies 4y ago
> Tax could help a lot but so could choice architecture, putting fatty / sugary foods out of reach and healthy alternatives at eye level could help alot I dont like too much govt intervention. Taxing something into oblivion, and forbidding ads seems to me the most acceptable things a govt should be able to implement. Bit like smoking (as OP said).
- looseyesterday 4y ago
  The thing is there is already company intervention in all this. Supermarkets charge money for the best shelf space. Companies put items with high sugar / fat /salt content on easy to reach items because they are more addictive and lead to further purchases. The consumers are not making an informed choice but are being heavily influenced to do something that is bad for them.

navane 4y ago

Sure everyone is entitled to their vice, but should we provide healthcare to people that are consciously, actively destroying their own health? Should we treat lung cancer in smokers? Should we treat diseases in anti-vaccers? Taxing vices makes them proportionally more expensive for the have-nots, without solving any issue. No one gives up smoking or drinking because they don't have the money for it. I say don't forbid, don't tax, but let there be consequences. It must be very frustrating for medical personal to deal with anti-vaccers and heavy smokers. You buy sigarets? Just sign this waiver. Don't get vaccinated? Don't get a check in the system for future treatment.

cies 4y ago
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- ciphol 4y ago
  > Haha... Seriously? This is the narrative that was pushed indeed. Now it turns out that many people ravaged their health with these untested mRNA treatments. Search for myocarditis (even my GP now knows about this). Conspiracy theories much? Myocarditis is extremely rare after mRNA vaccine. Since it's much more common after covid infection, and mRNA vaccines have a significant (though not perfect) preventative effect against infection, these vaccines have significantly decreased the incidence of myocarditis, not increased it. And mRNA vaccines weren't "untested" in 2020 - they'd been under development for nearly 50 years at that point, and the covid ones had been through a series of clinical trials (aka "tests") before becoming available to the public.
  - cies 4y ago
    But then myocarditis is not the only side effect they've hidden from the public. The test data they were eventually ordered to publish (they wanted to hide it for 75 years) show very shitty testing standards. For me that's untested. >they'd been under development for nearly 50 years at that point if they'd been tested okay 50y ago, they'd been on the market then. tested and approved are two different things.
- snozolli 4y ago
  Now it turns out that many people ravaged their health with these untested mRNA treatments. You are spreading dangerous misinformation. The vaccines resulted in around a doubling of myocarditis risk, which is still a ridiculously small number. Meanwhile, COVID-19 infection in an unvaccinated person resulted in a myocarditis rate SEVEN TIMES HIGHER than the vaccinated population. I'm not supporting GP's assertion, but you're spreading FUD.
  - cies 4y ago
    >You are spreading dangerous misinformation. The "safe and effective" slogan was dangerous misinformation. They tried to put their trail data under the rug for 75 year: the a judge had to order them to disclose it. Now we know it was known not to be safe- nor effective. The doc have been published in a book: see War Room Pfizer Documents. > Meanwhile, COVID-19 infection in an unvaccinated person resulted in a myocarditis rate SEVEN TIMES HIGHER than the vaccinated population. source?