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> Am I strange to tend to like app and OS redesigns if they make things look fresh, even when they might slow me down slightly, or even slow my machine down? I

> Am I strange to tend to like app and OS redesigns if they make things look fresh, even when they might slow me down slightly, or even slow my machine down? It's not strange to like redesigns. But if they slow you or your machine down? Yes, it's strange! Would you prefer a car that changed every year to a more "fresh" design, but each year make it harder to open the door and would let you go 5(km/m)/h slower? I definitely wouldn't and it's strange that you would, yes.

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ddalex 4y ago
> make it harder to open the door You mean like in the BMW i8 ? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T-upswNkRqE https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T-upswNkRqE
- pedrogpimenta 4y ago
  Exactly!
jordanwallwork 4y ago
I guess it would depend on what you're looking to get out of your car. I only open the door twice - once to get in, once to get out - so a small nuisance like being harder to open wouldn't bother me as it's only a fraction of the time spent engaging with the car. However I have family members with terrible arthiritis who struggle opening car doors anyway, so it'd definitely be a factor for them. I'm also not typically in a rush when I'm driving, so if the car is a little slower that doesn't bother me as much as whether I'm comfortable and enjoying the drive. Or even if the car was no more comfortable, but just looked better, I might actually feel some pride in it and that would give me a lift and result in an improvement to my mood. If my goal was to get from A-B as fast as possible though, then it absolutely would bother me.
- pedrogpimenta 4y ago
  I agree with this. Regular computer users are fin and like these UI changes. Most professional users don't, because it hinders them. You want to have all the horsepower available and to be able to work quickly, not prettier. But I guess we're the minority!
  - wongarsu 4y ago
    > Regular computer users are fin and like these UI changes My experience is that regular users hate changes, period. Doesn't matter if it looks much prettier now. The button isn't where it was or changed color and they are now confused. This is starting to change as more people had computers in a phase of their life where they were happy to experiment. But it will still be many years until the majority of the working population evaluates changes on design and performance criteria instead of just disliking them for being different than before.
    - dale_glass 4y ago
      There are real issues with some changes, though. Like Windows 11 for some reason centers the buttons on the screen. I'm not quite seeing what that improves since now things move around, and the start button is no longer in the very comfortably reachable corner by default.
    - wjholden 4y ago
      I don't like this about myself, but these days when Google or Microsoft mess with the software I've been using for a few decades my first feeling is frustration and my immediate reaction is to turn off the new feature. A few days ago, a new search bar showed up in Windows 11 and I immediately closed it without trying it in any way. Months ago, I switched to DuckDuckGo because I couldn't disable Google's search result highlighting. I hate the new microwave in our house because it doesn't let me type in seconds and instead I have to push some "Automatic 1" for a fixed 60 second interval (there's probably a better way, but my wife threw away the manual). Sometimes, better is worse. I am so close to switching to a basic Linux distro like Gentoo just to avoid these surprises.
jq-r 4y ago
Moreover, people would be up in arms if a perfectly good car, with a perfectly good engine starts consuming say 30% more fuel than an "update" ago.
- harrego 4y ago
  This is a great analogy.
  - cm2187 4y ago
    It's actually not a recent analogy https://blogarithms.com/2005/01/07/if-cars-worked-like-windows/ https://blogarithms.com/2005/01/07/if-cars-worked-like-windo...
FormerBandmate 4y ago
Computers keep getting newer and better features. Cloud software is in my experience leaps and bounds faster than legacy software, AI features have helped substantially and judging by ChatGPT will go on to help way more, videoconferencing has grown from a novelty to being able to handle people’s entire working lives (poorly, but better then not at all). People have nostalgia for 98 and XP, but try to use any software from around that era and it’s the equivalent of riding a bicycle on a highway. Definitely not 5 km/hr slower every year
- TeMPOraL 4y ago
  > Cloud software is in my experience leaps and bounds faster than legacy software You and I must use disjoint sets of software then. For me, cloud software is universally slower than legacy software. Good chunk of it is because of the browser. The UI, by default, is jankier and slower for every interaction - to the point I can notice the delay on every click, which for desktop software even 15 years ago was true only when the machine was under large load - not literally all the time. And that's without considering UI interactions that block on network requests. And so, I find trivial webapps to be just jankier. For anything serious though, they're near-useless, as the performance drop prevents using the app or, in some cases, slows down the entire machine. 2D raster and vector editors, and 3D modelling software, is still done primarily as desktop apps for a reason.
  - FormerBandmate 4y ago
    I regularly use database software and certain queries that take hours on the legacy server-based software take seconds on the cloud-based software
    - kingboss 4y ago
      Cloud-based software is server-based software. Cloud is just some damn servers that you don't own. There is no cLoUd. There are just servers.
sotix 4y ago
> Would you prefer a car that changed every year to a more "fresh" design, but each year make it harder to open the door[…]? I purchased a Tesla model 3 in 2019. Adjusting to controlling everything on a tablet in the center of the car was a huge change from every car I had driven previously, but I gradually got used to the UI and memorized the layout. In December 2021, Tesla launched a new UI that moved the buttons around and hid many single tap actions behind multiple taps. It was terrible. The last place I want a redesigned UI is in a car I currently own. They should have only launched the refresh on new models. It wasn’t the main reason I sold the car, but it certainly didn’t help. Big UI changes can be exhausting.
alkonaut 4y ago
No but I’m certainly accepting - even enjoying - to re-learn the car-UX (which takes months) every few years, in order to get the new model. If there was ever an option to purchase a new copy of the old model which I already know instantly, I’d go for the latest refresh even with a long list of infuriating quirks added!

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ddalex 4y ago

> make it harder to open the door You mean like in the BMW i8 ? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T-upswNkRqE https://www.youtube.com/shorts/T-upswNkRqE

pedrogpimenta 4y ago
Exactly!

jordanwallwork 4y ago

I guess it would depend on what you're looking to get out of your car. I only open the door twice - once to get in, once to get out - so a small nuisance like being harder to open wouldn't bother me as it's only a fraction of the time spent engaging with the car. However I have family members with terrible arthiritis who struggle opening car doors anyway, so it'd definitely be a factor for them. I'm also not typically in a rush when I'm driving, so if the car is a little slower that doesn't bother me as much as whether I'm comfortable and enjoying the drive. Or even if the car was no more comfortable, but just looked better, I might actually feel some pride in it and that would give me a lift and result in an improvement to my mood. If my goal was to get from A-B as fast as possible though, then it absolutely would bother me.

pedrogpimenta 4y ago
I agree with this. Regular computer users are fin and like these UI changes. Most professional users don't, because it hinders them. You want to have all the horsepower available and to be able to work quickly, not prettier. But I guess we're the minority!
- wongarsu 4y ago
  > Regular computer users are fin and like these UI changes My experience is that regular users hate changes, period. Doesn't matter if it looks much prettier now. The button isn't where it was or changed color and they are now confused. This is starting to change as more people had computers in a phase of their life where they were happy to experiment. But it will still be many years until the majority of the working population evaluates changes on design and performance criteria instead of just disliking them for being different than before.
  - dale_glass 4y ago
    There are real issues with some changes, though. Like Windows 11 for some reason centers the buttons on the screen. I'm not quite seeing what that improves since now things move around, and the start button is no longer in the very comfortably reachable corner by default.
  - wjholden 4y ago
    I don't like this about myself, but these days when Google or Microsoft mess with the software I've been using for a few decades my first feeling is frustration and my immediate reaction is to turn off the new feature. A few days ago, a new search bar showed up in Windows 11 and I immediately closed it without trying it in any way. Months ago, I switched to DuckDuckGo because I couldn't disable Google's search result highlighting. I hate the new microwave in our house because it doesn't let me type in seconds and instead I have to push some "Automatic 1" for a fixed 60 second interval (there's probably a better way, but my wife threw away the manual). Sometimes, better is worse. I am so close to switching to a basic Linux distro like Gentoo just to avoid these surprises.

jq-r 4y ago

Moreover, people would be up in arms if a perfectly good car, with a perfectly good engine starts consuming say 30% more fuel than an "update" ago.

harrego 4y ago
This is a great analogy.
- cm2187 4y ago
  It's actually not a recent analogy https://blogarithms.com/2005/01/07/if-cars-worked-like-windows/ https://blogarithms.com/2005/01/07/if-cars-worked-like-windo...

FormerBandmate 4y ago

Computers keep getting newer and better features. Cloud software is in my experience leaps and bounds faster than legacy software, AI features have helped substantially and judging by ChatGPT will go on to help way more, videoconferencing has grown from a novelty to being able to handle people’s entire working lives (poorly, but better then not at all). People have nostalgia for 98 and XP, but try to use any software from around that era and it’s the equivalent of riding a bicycle on a highway. Definitely not 5 km/hr slower every year

TeMPOraL 4y ago
> Cloud software is in my experience leaps and bounds faster than legacy software You and I must use disjoint sets of software then. For me, cloud software is universally slower than legacy software. Good chunk of it is because of the browser. The UI, by default, is jankier and slower for every interaction - to the point I can notice the delay on every click, which for desktop software even 15 years ago was true only when the machine was under large load - not literally all the time. And that's without considering UI interactions that block on network requests. And so, I find trivial webapps to be just jankier. For anything serious though, they're near-useless, as the performance drop prevents using the app or, in some cases, slows down the entire machine. 2D raster and vector editors, and 3D modelling software, is still done primarily as desktop apps for a reason.
- FormerBandmate 4y ago
  I regularly use database software and certain queries that take hours on the legacy server-based software take seconds on the cloud-based software
  - kingboss 4y ago
    Cloud-based software is server-based software. Cloud is just some damn servers that you don't own. There is no cLoUd. There are just servers.

sotix 4y ago

> Would you prefer a car that changed every year to a more "fresh" design, but each year make it harder to open the door[…]? I purchased a Tesla model 3 in 2019. Adjusting to controlling everything on a tablet in the center of the car was a huge change from every car I had driven previously, but I gradually got used to the UI and memorized the layout. In December 2021, Tesla launched a new UI that moved the buttons around and hid many single tap actions behind multiple taps. It was terrible. The last place I want a redesigned UI is in a car I currently own. They should have only launched the refresh on new models. It wasn’t the main reason I sold the car, but it certainly didn’t help. Big UI changes can be exhausting.

alkonaut 4y ago

No but I’m certainly accepting - even enjoying - to re-learn the car-UX (which takes months) every few years, in order to get the new model. If there was ever an option to purchase a new copy of the old model which I already know instantly, I’d go for the latest refresh even with a long list of infuriating quirks added!