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It's bizarre to only have 32GB/64GB storage. I remember getting a dedicated music player with 80GB in 2008. Bulk storage seems like it would be one of the few g

It's bizarre to only have 32GB/64GB storage. I remember getting a dedicated music player with 80GB in 2008. Bulk storage seems like it would be one of the few good ways to differentiate these from a smartphone Maybe I'm just not the target market. They must be doing something right because Hideo Kojima uses one (and frequently tweets pictures of it): https://twitter.com/hideo_kojima_en/status/1614746093270740994 https://twitter.com/hideo_kojima_en/status/16147460932707409...

em500 4y ago
You can add a 512GB micro-SD for $50.
- nomorewords 4y ago
  I think that's not the point. They are making a product seemingly targeted at audiophiles and they don't provide enough storage (for the amount of music an audiophile might have), while showing off some obscure features like the gold plated components
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  - izacus 4y ago
    It has an SD card slot for unlimited storage practically, what are you complaining about?
  - bakugo 4y ago
    It doesn't "provide enough storage" because it's not supposed to provide storage. You're supposed to provide your own storage, whatever amount you see fit, and you are able to upgrade it at any time. I know people nowadays are used to not having any control over their storage and simply throwing their device in the trash and buying a new one every few years when it's no longer enough, but it wasn't like this in the past.
- brundolf 4y ago
  The transfer speeds wouldn't be as good as a built-in SSD though, right? Maybe that's just not a big enough deal to matter?
  - kramerger 4y ago
    Why would it matter for audio?
    - brundolf 4y ago
      If you're moving a terabyte of music to the device from your computer where it lives, that could matter
      - kramerger 4y ago
        How often do you move terabytes of data - to a device with much smaller capacity?
  - mrbungie 4y ago
    In this case storage should be mainly used for music. I don't think an SSD is going to make a big difference, assuming Sony's software supports playing from SD cards.
  - Tams80 4y ago
    It's for playing audio mate, not playing games. Sure, loading a large FLAC library onto a microSD will initially take longer, but the thing only needs to be done once, and many audio enthusiastsnwill already have microSD cards with it on.
tempestn 4y ago
Who IS the target market for something like this? It's almost as big as a phone, and costs as much as many phones... why would anyone use this instead of their phone? I guess maybe if you have a giant phablet and want something more portable (or more disposable, but it's still $400) for workouts or that kind of thing? Maybe if you're addicted to social media and so the fact that it can't do anything besides play music is a feature?
- patates 4y ago
  > the fact that it can't do anything besides play music is a feature? It seems to not have a modem but it does have the play store and wi-fi, so...
- makeitdouble 4y ago
  Me actually. I finally made the switch to a phone without headphone jack last year. I like the phone, but the pretty expensive bluetooth headphones I tried don't sound as great as my beaten year old wired ones. There's many places where I don't care about having a dangling wire: at home watching tv/movies, while working at my desk, or in public libraries for instance. A small audio player that work with my wired headphones would be workable, I l'm seriously thinking about it if moving music in and out is easy enough.
- mike_d 4y ago
  > Who IS the target market for something like this? Some people work in environments where you can't have "smart" devices. I could see this squeaking by (for example you can have some single purpose devices like Garmin watches, but not Apple watches with wifi and cellular). It might be good for airplanes too if you want something to drive your headphones without draining your battery, but I guess in-seat power has kinda solved that already.
- nmfisher 4y ago
  I don't have this exact model, but I did have two earlier iterations of the Walkman which I liked for three reasons: 1) it's a lot lighter than a phone, so convenient to take running 2) the battery lasts days (if not weeks) rather than a single day 3) it has a wired headphone jack, so I don't have to use Bluetooth earbuds that regularly fall out or disconnect. I don't recall either model being that expensive though.
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Ferrotin 4y ago
That’s for the OS and apps. Every user is going to use the SD card anyway, and 256GB or 512GB of good quality storage would be wasted on music.

em500 4y ago

You can add a 512GB micro-SD for $50.

nomorewords 4y ago
I think that's not the point. They are making a product seemingly targeted at audiophiles and they don't provide enough storage (for the amount of music an audiophile might have), while showing off some obscure features like the gold plated components
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- izacus 4y ago
  It has an SD card slot for unlimited storage practically, what are you complaining about?
- bakugo 4y ago
  It doesn't "provide enough storage" because it's not supposed to provide storage. You're supposed to provide your own storage, whatever amount you see fit, and you are able to upgrade it at any time. I know people nowadays are used to not having any control over their storage and simply throwing their device in the trash and buying a new one every few years when it's no longer enough, but it wasn't like this in the past.
brundolf 4y ago
The transfer speeds wouldn't be as good as a built-in SSD though, right? Maybe that's just not a big enough deal to matter?
- kramerger 4y ago
  Why would it matter for audio?
  - brundolf 4y ago
    If you're moving a terabyte of music to the device from your computer where it lives, that could matter
    - kramerger 4y ago
      How often do you move terabytes of data - to a device with much smaller capacity?
- mrbungie 4y ago
  In this case storage should be mainly used for music. I don't think an SSD is going to make a big difference, assuming Sony's software supports playing from SD cards.
- Tams80 4y ago
  It's for playing audio mate, not playing games. Sure, loading a large FLAC library onto a microSD will initially take longer, but the thing only needs to be done once, and many audio enthusiastsnwill already have microSD cards with it on.

tempestn 4y ago

Who IS the target market for something like this? It's almost as big as a phone, and costs as much as many phones... why would anyone use this instead of their phone? I guess maybe if you have a giant phablet and want something more portable (or more disposable, but it's still $400) for workouts or that kind of thing? Maybe if you're addicted to social media and so the fact that it can't do anything besides play music is a feature?

patates 4y ago
> the fact that it can't do anything besides play music is a feature? It seems to not have a modem but it does have the play store and wi-fi, so...
makeitdouble 4y ago
Me actually. I finally made the switch to a phone without headphone jack last year. I like the phone, but the pretty expensive bluetooth headphones I tried don't sound as great as my beaten year old wired ones. There's many places where I don't care about having a dangling wire: at home watching tv/movies, while working at my desk, or in public libraries for instance. A small audio player that work with my wired headphones would be workable, I l'm seriously thinking about it if moving music in and out is easy enough.
mike_d 4y ago
> Who IS the target market for something like this? Some people work in environments where you can't have "smart" devices. I could see this squeaking by (for example you can have some single purpose devices like Garmin watches, but not Apple watches with wifi and cellular). It might be good for airplanes too if you want something to drive your headphones without draining your battery, but I guess in-seat power has kinda solved that already.
nmfisher 4y ago
I don't have this exact model, but I did have two earlier iterations of the Walkman which I liked for three reasons: 1) it's a lot lighter than a phone, so convenient to take running 2) the battery lasts days (if not weeks) rather than a single day 3) it has a wired headphone jack, so I don't have to use Bluetooth earbuds that regularly fall out or disconnect. I don't recall either model being that expensive though.

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Ferrotin 4y ago

That’s for the OS and apps. Every user is going to use the SD card anyway, and 256GB or 512GB of good quality storage would be wasted on music.