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It's not worth it to you, but it's worth it to me. See, I know that my hardware is secure. I don't have to worry about bullsh*t closed-stack IPMI / iLO that re

It's not worth it to you, but it's worth it to me. See, I know that my hardware is secure. I don't have to worry about bullsh*t closed-stack IPMI / iLO that requires a specific JVM from a decade ago. My server takes less power than "some old used server", which means I pay less money, anyway. Also, my server is my own hardware that I own. Is your €10 a month "2c/4t atom" your own hardware, or is it a "dedicated server" that is controlled and managed by OVH / Kimsufi? If the latter, then how do you know it's secure? You don't. You have to trust OVH / Kimsufi. Real, owned hardware is not comparable to "dedicated servers" when it comes to security. What's fine for you isn't fine for me. I actually care about who has direct access to the systems I run.

cuu508 4y ago
Regarding the rented hardware, is your main complaint the remote management features? In terms of physical security, I don't think there would be much difference between rented and owned hardware.
- johnklos 4y ago
  If I rent hardware, I have no real way of knowing whether remote management is accessible by other people, nor whether it has been secured properly. At least with hardware I own, I know every part of it has been configured by me and by nobody else. Of course rented hardware, where the customer has full control of a whole system, is preferable to any sort of "dedicated server", but IPMI / iLO is, quite literally, a hardware back door. Yes, the biggest issue is the remote management.
  - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
    What's the problem? I backup all my data to a Hetzner storage box, but I encrypt everything on my side before sending. They can peek at my files all day long.
    - johnklos 4y ago
      I'm not just backing up my data. I'm colocating a whole server that does lots of different things, some which I'd like to keep private and safe.
      - turtleyacht 4y ago
        Do you have anything detecting if the hardware has been tampered with? 2U servers are really noisy, but colocating is expensive. I thought a server made out of Pi's would make it more affordable to keep at home, if anything. It's a wonderful arrangement you have there. I'm embarrassed to say my idea of a cluster is a handful of netbooks.

cuu508 4y ago

Regarding the rented hardware, is your main complaint the remote management features? In terms of physical security, I don't think there would be much difference between rented and owned hardware.

johnklos 4y ago
If I rent hardware, I have no real way of knowing whether remote management is accessible by other people, nor whether it has been secured properly. At least with hardware I own, I know every part of it has been configured by me and by nobody else. Of course rented hardware, where the customer has full control of a whole system, is preferable to any sort of "dedicated server", but IPMI / iLO is, quite literally, a hardware back door. Yes, the biggest issue is the remote management.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
  What's the problem? I backup all my data to a Hetzner storage box, but I encrypt everything on my side before sending. They can peek at my files all day long.
  - johnklos 4y ago
    I'm not just backing up my data. I'm colocating a whole server that does lots of different things, some which I'd like to keep private and safe.
    - turtleyacht 4y ago
      Do you have anything detecting if the hardware has been tampered with? 2U servers are really noisy, but colocating is expensive. I thought a server made out of Pi's would make it more affordable to keep at home, if anything. It's a wonderful arrangement you have there. I'm embarrassed to say my idea of a cluster is a handful of netbooks.