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'humans are causing the climate to change rapidly with catastrophic results and that the money is being spent but prefer to mislead like Exxon, API, Shell, and

'humans are causing the climate to change rapidly with catastrophic results and that the money is being spent but prefer to mislead like Exxon, API, Shell, and Total.' I think you need to calm down a bit here. The money still isn't being spent on water infrastructure five years after the 2018 approval vote. How is Exxon, API, Shell, and Total misleading California voters over water infrastructure?

lern_too_spel 4y ago
> The money still isn't being spent on water infrastructure I gave you a link showing that it is being spent. All of it. The last project is scheduled to be completed in 2025. The article you posted is five years out of date. > How is Exxon, API, Shell, and Total misleading California voters over water infrastructure? My first explanation sounds more likely now. They were misleading about climate change. As I pointed out in my first comment, you blamed the "'drought'" on climate alarmists because you are a climate change denier just like these companies, complaining about electrification in your comment history as if its disadvantages are anywhere near as bad as climate change. You pretend (or simply believe out of lack of research ability) the drought is due to population increases instead of due to climate change even though urban and agricultural water usage has steadily declined since 1995. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/ https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/
- olivermarks 4y ago
  Your link is to snails pace bureaucratic permitting and environmental projects 'in order to proceed with construction phase of reservoir expansion' five years later. The oil companies have zero to do with this, while 'climate change' has little relevance to increasing water storage.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    Here's an article from today. https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water-storage-17719807.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water... Sadly you were completely wrong @lern_too_spel, and as you will see there is no 'climate change denier' rhetoric, just a need for more water storage. “We’re in a climate emergency and we need to start acting with some urgency here,” said Adrian Covert, senior vice president of public policy for the Bay Area Council, which advocates for businesses in the Bay Area. “When you’re talking about storage projects and dams, they are going to last 100 years and you want to get it right and caution is appropriate. At the same time, you have to deliver results.”
    - lern_too_spel 4y ago
      You have confirmed the first reason. "Such efforts require years of design, permitting and fundraising and are not easy to build.' In other words, the state isn't sitting on the cash. https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-take-to-build-a-massive-new-reservoir-a-lot-of-time-trucks-and-rock https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-tak... shows that a reservoir in Colorado took two decades to get permitted. The projects in California are moving at light speed in comparison. "As much clamor as there has been for more storage, however, water experts warn that it may not be the panacea that advocates profess, specifically reservoirs. Constructing reservoirs is expensive, meaning the water they sell may be cost-prohibitive for some, while the increase in water supply is likely to be small and not worth the money given California’s increasing aridity. "With the warming climate, the state is not only seeing more intense droughts, alongside more intense storms, but more of the precipitation is falling as rain instead of snow. Snow has historically provided a second wind for reservoirs, melting after the wet winter season and giving the lakes an additional hit of water." "'What you want is reliable supply and this (type of storage) is not very reliable. You don’t know when you’re going to fill it.'" In other words, the problem facing California is drought depleting snowpacks and groundwater, not "more water storage" in reservoirs. The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change and doubling down like Pope Urban VIII is just silly and especially sad when you cite an article that disagree with you.
      - olivermarks 4y ago
        'The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change' - you really did drink the KoolAid didn't you!
        lern_too_spel 4y ago
        Look at Mr. Flat Earth here saying that other people have drunk the Kool-Aid.
        olivermarks 4y ago

lern_too_spel 4y ago

> The money still isn't being spent on water infrastructure I gave you a link showing that it is being spent. All of it. The last project is scheduled to be completed in 2025. The article you posted is five years out of date. > How is Exxon, API, Shell, and Total misleading California voters over water infrastructure? My first explanation sounds more likely now. They were misleading about climate change. As I pointed out in my first comment, you blamed the "'drought'" on climate alarmists because you are a climate change denier just like these companies, complaining about electrification in your comment history as if its disadvantages are anywhere near as bad as climate change. You pretend (or simply believe out of lack of research ability) the drought is due to population increases instead of due to climate change even though urban and agricultural water usage has steadily declined since 1995. https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/ https://www.ppic.org/publication/water-use-in-california/

olivermarks 4y ago
Your link is to snails pace bureaucratic permitting and environmental projects 'in order to proceed with construction phase of reservoir expansion' five years later. The oil companies have zero to do with this, while 'climate change' has little relevance to increasing water storage.
- olivermarks 4y ago
  Here's an article from today. https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water-storage-17719807.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/climate/article/california-water... Sadly you were completely wrong @lern_too_spel, and as you will see there is no 'climate change denier' rhetoric, just a need for more water storage. “We’re in a climate emergency and we need to start acting with some urgency here,” said Adrian Covert, senior vice president of public policy for the Bay Area Council, which advocates for businesses in the Bay Area. “When you’re talking about storage projects and dams, they are going to last 100 years and you want to get it right and caution is appropriate. At the same time, you have to deliver results.”
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    You have confirmed the first reason. "Such efforts require years of design, permitting and fundraising and are not easy to build.' In other words, the state isn't sitting on the cash. https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-take-to-build-a-massive-new-reservoir-a-lot-of-time-trucks-and-rock https://www.kunc.org/environment/2022-03-10/what-does-it-tak... shows that a reservoir in Colorado took two decades to get permitted. The projects in California are moving at light speed in comparison. "As much clamor as there has been for more storage, however, water experts warn that it may not be the panacea that advocates profess, specifically reservoirs. Constructing reservoirs is expensive, meaning the water they sell may be cost-prohibitive for some, while the increase in water supply is likely to be small and not worth the money given California’s increasing aridity. "With the warming climate, the state is not only seeing more intense droughts, alongside more intense storms, but more of the precipitation is falling as rain instead of snow. Snow has historically provided a second wind for reservoirs, melting after the wet winter season and giving the lakes an additional hit of water." "'What you want is reliable supply and this (type of storage) is not very reliable. You don’t know when you’re going to fill it.'" In other words, the problem facing California is drought depleting snowpacks and groundwater, not "more water storage" in reservoirs. The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change and doubling down like Pope Urban VIII is just silly and especially sad when you cite an article that disagree with you.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
      'The world's scientists are in agreement that you're wrong about climate change' - you really did drink the KoolAid didn't you!
      - lern_too_spel 4y ago
        Look at Mr. Flat Earth here saying that other people have drunk the Kool-Aid.
        olivermarks 4y ago