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> It matches my criteria for my own colocated 1U Raspberry Pi server. Mine has additional criteria: I have another Pi for OOB serial and remote reset, an ethern

by ilyt 4y ago

> It matches my criteria for my own colocated 1U Raspberry Pi server. Mine has additional criteria: I have another Pi for OOB serial and remote reset, an ethernet switch so I don't have to pay extra for a separate drop, and USB-3 to SATA adapters with UASP because the Pi 4 supports USB-3 (> 200MB/sec per drive, simultaneously). That doesn't seem worth it compared to just buying some old used server, especially if you going to get separate pi just for oob. Hell, currently on ovh/kimsufi $6/mo gives you 2c/4t atom with 1TB of disk and 4GB of RAM I pay ~10 eur for colocated 2c/4t atom with 2TB

johnklos 4y ago
It's not worth it to you, but it's worth it to me. See, I know that my hardware is secure. I don't have to worry about bullsh*t closed-stack IPMI / iLO that requires a specific JVM from a decade ago. My server takes less power than "some old used server", which means I pay less money, anyway. Also, my server is my own hardware that I own. Is your €10 a month "2c/4t atom" your own hardware, or is it a "dedicated server" that is controlled and managed by OVH / Kimsufi? If the latter, then how do you know it's secure? You don't. You have to trust OVH / Kimsufi. Real, owned hardware is not comparable to "dedicated servers" when it comes to security. What's fine for you isn't fine for me. I actually care about who has direct access to the systems I run.
- cuu508 4y ago
  Regarding the rented hardware, is your main complaint the remote management features? In terms of physical security, I don't think there would be much difference between rented and owned hardware.
  - johnklos 4y ago
    If I rent hardware, I have no real way of knowing whether remote management is accessible by other people, nor whether it has been secured properly. At least with hardware I own, I know every part of it has been configured by me and by nobody else. Of course rented hardware, where the customer has full control of a whole system, is preferable to any sort of "dedicated server", but IPMI / iLO is, quite literally, a hardware back door. Yes, the biggest issue is the remote management.
    - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
      What's the problem? I backup all my data to a Hetzner storage box, but I encrypt everything on my side before sending. They can peek at my files all day long.
      - johnklos 4y ago
        I'm not just backing up my data. I'm colocating a whole server that does lots of different things, some which I'd like to keep private and safe.
        turtleyacht 4y ago
        Do you have anything detecting if the hardware has been tampered with? 2U servers are really noisy, but colocating is expensive. I thought a server made out of Pi's would make it more affordable to keep at home, if anything. It's a wonderful arrangement you have there. I'm embarrassed to say my idea of a cluster is a handful of netbooks.

by ilyt 4y ago

johnklos 4y ago

It's not worth it to you, but it's worth it to me. See, I know that my hardware is secure. I don't have to worry about bullsh*t closed-stack IPMI / iLO that requires a specific JVM from a decade ago. My server takes less power than "some old used server", which means I pay less money, anyway. Also, my server is my own hardware that I own. Is your €10 a month "2c/4t atom" your own hardware, or is it a "dedicated server" that is controlled and managed by OVH / Kimsufi? If the latter, then how do you know it's secure? You don't. You have to trust OVH / Kimsufi. Real, owned hardware is not comparable to "dedicated servers" when it comes to security. What's fine for you isn't fine for me. I actually care about who has direct access to the systems I run.

cuu508 4y ago
Regarding the rented hardware, is your main complaint the remote management features? In terms of physical security, I don't think there would be much difference between rented and owned hardware.
- johnklos 4y ago
  If I rent hardware, I have no real way of knowing whether remote management is accessible by other people, nor whether it has been secured properly. At least with hardware I own, I know every part of it has been configured by me and by nobody else. Of course rented hardware, where the customer has full control of a whole system, is preferable to any sort of "dedicated server", but IPMI / iLO is, quite literally, a hardware back door. Yes, the biggest issue is the remote management.
  - EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 4y ago
    What's the problem? I backup all my data to a Hetzner storage box, but I encrypt everything on my side before sending. They can peek at my files all day long.
    - johnklos 4y ago
      I'm not just backing up my data. I'm colocating a whole server that does lots of different things, some which I'd like to keep private and safe.
      - turtleyacht 4y ago
        Do you have anything detecting if the hardware has been tampered with? 2U servers are really noisy, but colocating is expensive. I thought a server made out of Pi's would make it more affordable to keep at home, if anything. It's a wonderful arrangement you have there. I'm embarrassed to say my idea of a cluster is a handful of netbooks.