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I don't know about Starbucks, but there's plenty of resentment among manufacturing workers that their white-collar counterparts get to sit at home

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lapcat 4y ago
Is this meant to be an argument against remote work? If so, it's a strange one. Some working conditions are better than others. Some jobs are better than others. Some jobs pay more than others, often a lot more. Should everyone who makes more money than manufacturing workers take a pay cut? Alternatively, should everyone who makes less money than manufacturing workers get a pay raise? Inequality is a fact of capitalism. I'm not saying whether capitalism is good or bad, but if you have any resentment, it ought to be against the system in which inequality is inherent. Anyway, given this system, I see nothing wrong with workers seeking the best working conditions possible for themselves.
- dlkf 4y ago
  It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none. The more interesting follow up questions are to what degree is this true, how do we know, and do we think this is a factor in back-to-office mandates.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none. You've projected an interpretation onto bluedino's words. I'd like to hear the OP explain why this alleged resentment was mentioned here.
- cplusplusfellow 4y ago
  Workers seeking the best possible conditions for themselves can extend to white collar workers desiring to work from home. If I’ve got to work a dozen or more weekends a year, and 50 nights a year when I can only deploy during non business hours (until 9pm), then by god I don’t need to suffer a commute in an expensive city to sit through my coworkers sharing YouTube videos and dad jokes nonstop.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > Workers seeking the best possible conditions for themselves can extend to white collar workers desiring to work from home. Yes? That was obviously my point.
bitlax 4y ago
How does the working environment of the white-collar employees affect the working environment of the blue-collar employees in this case?
- intunderflow 4y ago
  It doesn't, it's just standard crab-bucket mentality
ergocoder 4y ago
White-collar counterparts sitting at home = much less traffic for the manufacturing workers ...
- bluedino 4y ago
  They typically commute during different times
gedy 4y ago
A lot of people who are envious of WFH imagine it's lounging around watching Netflix, and likely would not be able to handle the actual work though.

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lapcat 4y ago

Is this meant to be an argument against remote work? If so, it's a strange one. Some working conditions are better than others. Some jobs are better than others. Some jobs pay more than others, often a lot more. Should everyone who makes more money than manufacturing workers take a pay cut? Alternatively, should everyone who makes less money than manufacturing workers get a pay raise? Inequality is a fact of capitalism. I'm not saying whether capitalism is good or bad, but if you have any resentment, it ought to be against the system in which inequality is inherent. Anyway, given this system, I see nothing wrong with workers seeking the best working conditions possible for themselves.

dlkf 4y ago
It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none. The more interesting follow up questions are to what degree is this true, how do we know, and do we think this is a factor in back-to-office mandates.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > It’s not an argument, it’s just a positive claim. You’ve projected a bunch of normative angles on to it, but there are none. You've projected an interpretation onto bluedino's words. I'd like to hear the OP explain why this alleged resentment was mentioned here.
cplusplusfellow 4y ago
Workers seeking the best possible conditions for themselves can extend to white collar workers desiring to work from home. If I’ve got to work a dozen or more weekends a year, and 50 nights a year when I can only deploy during non business hours (until 9pm), then by god I don’t need to suffer a commute in an expensive city to sit through my coworkers sharing YouTube videos and dad jokes nonstop.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > Workers seeking the best possible conditions for themselves can extend to white collar workers desiring to work from home. Yes? That was obviously my point.

bitlax 4y ago

How does the working environment of the white-collar employees affect the working environment of the blue-collar employees in this case?

intunderflow 4y ago
It doesn't, it's just standard crab-bucket mentality

ergocoder 4y ago

White-collar counterparts sitting at home = much less traffic for the manufacturing workers ...

bluedino 4y ago
They typically commute during different times

gedy 4y ago

A lot of people who are envious of WFH imagine it's lounging around watching Netflix, and likely would not be able to handle the actual work though.