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HN's "shadow bans" aren't hidden and allow you to keep posting. Isn't that more tolerant than most other forms of banning? I have showdead turned on. I see fre
by maxbond 4y ago
HN's "shadow bans" aren't hidden and allow you to keep posting. Isn't that more tolerant than most other forms of banning?
I have showdead turned on. I see fresh accounts that are automatically dead on each comment which are legit contributions, probably because they're using Tor or a widely abused VPN; that's the only common miscarriage of HN moderation I regularly see, and I vouch for house comments. Those accounts should be in the clear after a week or something like that. I have a couple comments I feel shouldn't be dead, but I can see how others would feel differently, and I have I believe 3 dead comments out of >3000 (many of which expressed views others vocally disagreed with, and I generally feel my views are not particularly popular on HN). But most of the dead comments I see are obviously harmful to discussion. The last time I saw hate speech from a banned HN account - was earlier today. What is it I'm missing here?
It's all well and good to say, treat others as you'd like to be treated. But I don't want to be harassed either. So I forgo harassing people sure. But what's to be done about the people harassing me?
Are you perhaps unaware of a phenomenon called the paradox of tolerance where, if you extend universal tolerance to everyone, including those who use their speech to silence others (through threats, harassment, shouting over people, poisoning the well, etc), you still end up with a forum in which not everyone can share their ideas?
- _8j50 4y agoDead comments are not shadowbanned, just banned. I wasn't referring to that. And the problem with shadowmoderation is it happens without attempting to tell the person to change behavior so people who will cooperate don't get a chance to do that. If someone does not cooperate and acts with bad or false intentions you should ban them explicitly. I never suggested universal tolerance I only suggested transparent moderation.
- maxbond 4y agoThe only people I've seen get banned without warning are transparent trolls (usually people who make an account to make each comment, with that comment being trolling or hate speech, because they understand that that will be banned). People who aren't purely trolling do seem to get a public message from dang. Does your experience differ? How?