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Wyoming SJ0004 – Phasing out new electric vehicle sales by 2035

40 points by cpeterso 4y ago

colechristensen 4y ago
There are always many bonehead bills on state legislatures and plenty of seats that run unopposed which go to whoever wants it. They’re generally not worth any attention.
pengaru 4y ago
[wyoming]
spijdar 4y ago
I like to show empathy for both sides of issues like this, but this just makes me kind of sad. The argument presented is, on its face, "we have a lot of local oil companies and want to support them", so "lets suppress development of electric vehicles and hope it works out with the rest of the US/world". I could see being opposed to subsidizing electric infrastructure or vehicles, but aiming to completely eliminate new sales? Also, "more electric vehicles will require massive amounts of new power generation in order to sustain the misadventure of electric vehicles" strikes me as a little silly, since isn't "oil and gas" a great way to create electricity for said vehicles?
- jvanderbot 4y ago
  The justification is a farce. It's political. Im surprised it took this long, honestly, given the swift push along other classical political divides.
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  I think it's just to appease some folks as many are losing their jobs. Power here in Wyoming is cheap, 11 cents/KWH and there is just about every form of power generation except geothermal and I think they are looking into that. Drilling into Yellowstone should make for some fun conversations but I am looking forward to that option. Mini-Nuclear reactors are being built Bill Gates had a couple small set-backs but it's going to happen eventually. Wyoming provides power to quite a few states [1] and has the highest potential for wind power [2][3]. Wind power has been growing very fast. The grid I am on also has a massive solar farm but I do not have stats on how much it produces. Probably not much right now as it has been snowing all day. I think they can probably get away with saying that since about the only demand for EV's would be in Jackson Hole. Most of the state is rural and most ranches and farms need powerful trucks that can haul large loads long distances. Equivalent EV trucks do not yet exist to replace Ford F450/550/650 and Chevy 5500/6500 and even then the battery weight will push some medium sized ranches over their weight station limits in all fifty states. [1] - https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=WY https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=WY [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Wyoming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Wyoming [3] - https://cityrenewables.org/state/wyoming/ https://cityrenewables.org/state/wyoming/
  - mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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- Spooky23 4y ago
  It’s actually good to have idiots like this on record being idiots. When investments don’t get made, they’ll change their tune. The playbook for obscure republican politicians is to flip the bird at something and get some rah-rah from the base. Plus, sometimes hidden in the pandering is some actual problem identification.
  - 1letterunixname 4y ago
    It's not necessarily sheer idiocy: 1. Someone who doesn't hold a particular position absurd to make a sarcastic point. 2. Dogwhistle to the fascists, kleptocrats, and ideologues. It maybe "tilting at windmills", but it's bluster "to impress the ladies". 3. An attempt to raise a proposal so extreme in order to gather press coverage.
chrischen 4y ago
Doesn't this go against the whole Republican ethos of not letting the government tell people what they can or can't do?
- canaIGGERa 4y ago
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- stuaxo 4y ago
  Those kinds of ethos are always "for thee and not for me".
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  This follows another Republican ethos: Tit-for-tat. This solution to the iterated prisoners dilemma is necessary when dealing with a partner who won’t follow agreed rules — ie, when trust is compromised. So Republican groups are “defecting too” in response to Democrat actions they believe break agreed upon rules — eg, civil rights and open markets.
  - paulgb 4y ago
    I hate this approach. The victim from this sort of political theatre isn’t “democrats”, it’s everyday people who just want a functioning government without this sort of distraction.
    - zmgsabst 4y ago
      Residents of border districts seem to believe that it was to their benefit for politicians to bus immigrants to other cities — because it forced those cities to stop ignoring the problem. Eg, NYC was vocal about demanding more migration until they had to face migrants themselves — now it’s an “emergency”. I think what you hate about this approach is that it makes you the recipient of the bad policy your elected officials normally inflict on others. But that’s the point: You won’t stop voting for politicians who engage in that kind of behavior until you also experience it’s negative effects.
- 4y ago
elwebmaster 4y ago
Is it April 1st already? Time flies so fast.
toomuchtodo 4y ago
Previous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34390556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34390556
- mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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newaccount2021 4y ago
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indymike 4y ago
At least this isn't a law defining pi=3.15, but it is close in it's shortsightedness.
mattmaroon 4y ago
I’m really curious to see how the inevitable court challenges go if this law is passed. I’m sure this will be called unconstitutional in several different ways by detractors, and they’re going to be fighting basically everyone but big oil. Power companies. Natural gas companies (that fuel power plants and want nothing more than for cars to electrify, effectively stealing oil business), car companies (which are all pushing to electrify), environmentalists.
- WhiskeyChicken 4y ago
  It's not a law, it's a joint resolution with no power to do anything.
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
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WhiskeyChicken 4y ago
For all those who haven't or won't bother to read it, this is a "joint resolution" - meaning it isn't a proposed law and would have zero effect on anything.
digdigdag 4y ago
This is just a symbolic hand-wavy gesture. Nothing Wyoming does in this context is of meaningful consequence to the rest of the nation. Why you ask? It has < 200 registered EVs in the entire state. Per this data they don't even register in the scale: https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10962 https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10962 What are they even phasing out?
- WhiskeyChicken 4y ago
  It's actually supposed to be only symbolic given that it's a joint resolution and not a law.
NIpGGERoNlGGER 4y ago
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NIpGGERoNlGGER 4y ago
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mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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rgmerk 4y ago
Worth noting that the bill is purely a statement of support for the idea and does not change any Wyoming laws. It’s a stupid piece of theatre, but, hey, it’s what Republicans do best these days.
mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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Kim_Bruning 4y ago
I'd actually never really consciously noticed that legislators can be trolls too, in their own way!
realworldperson 4y ago
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40 points by cpeterso 4y ago

There are always many bonehead bills on state legislatures and plenty of seats that run unopposed which go to whoever wants it. They’re generally not worth any attention.

pengaru 4y ago

[wyoming]

spijdar 4y ago

I like to show empathy for both sides of issues like this, but this just makes me kind of sad. The argument presented is, on its face, "we have a lot of local oil companies and want to support them", so "lets suppress development of electric vehicles and hope it works out with the rest of the US/world". I could see being opposed to subsidizing electric infrastructure or vehicles, but aiming to completely eliminate new sales? Also, "more electric vehicles will require massive amounts of new power generation in order to sustain the misadventure of electric vehicles" strikes me as a little silly, since isn't "oil and gas" a great way to create electricity for said vehicles?

jvanderbot 4y ago
The justification is a farce. It's political. Im surprised it took this long, honestly, given the swift push along other classical political divides.
LinuxBender 4y ago
I think it's just to appease some folks as many are losing their jobs. Power here in Wyoming is cheap, 11 cents/KWH and there is just about every form of power generation except geothermal and I think they are looking into that. Drilling into Yellowstone should make for some fun conversations but I am looking forward to that option. Mini-Nuclear reactors are being built Bill Gates had a couple small set-backs but it's going to happen eventually. Wyoming provides power to quite a few states [1] and has the highest potential for wind power [2][3]. Wind power has been growing very fast. The grid I am on also has a massive solar farm but I do not have stats on how much it produces. Probably not much right now as it has been snowing all day. I think they can probably get away with saying that since about the only demand for EV's would be in Jackson Hole. Most of the state is rural and most ranches and farms need powerful trucks that can haul large loads long distances. Equivalent EV trucks do not yet exist to replace Ford F450/550/650 and Chevy 5500/6500 and even then the battery weight will push some medium sized ranches over their weight station limits in all fifty states. [1] - https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=WY https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=WY [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Wyoming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Wyoming [3] - https://cityrenewables.org/state/wyoming/ https://cityrenewables.org/state/wyoming/
- mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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Spooky23 4y ago
It’s actually good to have idiots like this on record being idiots. When investments don’t get made, they’ll change their tune. The playbook for obscure republican politicians is to flip the bird at something and get some rah-rah from the base. Plus, sometimes hidden in the pandering is some actual problem identification.
- 1letterunixname 4y ago
  It's not necessarily sheer idiocy: 1. Someone who doesn't hold a particular position absurd to make a sarcastic point. 2. Dogwhistle to the fascists, kleptocrats, and ideologues. It maybe "tilting at windmills", but it's bluster "to impress the ladies". 3. An attempt to raise a proposal so extreme in order to gather press coverage.

chrischen 4y ago

Doesn't this go against the whole Republican ethos of not letting the government tell people what they can or can't do?

canaIGGERa 4y ago
[dead]
stuaxo 4y ago
Those kinds of ethos are always "for thee and not for me".
zmgsabst 4y ago
This follows another Republican ethos: Tit-for-tat. This solution to the iterated prisoners dilemma is necessary when dealing with a partner who won’t follow agreed rules — ie, when trust is compromised. So Republican groups are “defecting too” in response to Democrat actions they believe break agreed upon rules — eg, civil rights and open markets.
- paulgb 4y ago
  I hate this approach. The victim from this sort of political theatre isn’t “democrats”, it’s everyday people who just want a functioning government without this sort of distraction.
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Residents of border districts seem to believe that it was to their benefit for politicians to bus immigrants to other cities — because it forced those cities to stop ignoring the problem. Eg, NYC was vocal about demanding more migration until they had to face migrants themselves — now it’s an “emergency”. I think what you hate about this approach is that it makes you the recipient of the bad policy your elected officials normally inflict on others. But that’s the point: You won’t stop voting for politicians who engage in that kind of behavior until you also experience it’s negative effects.
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elwebmaster 4y ago

Is it April 1st already? Time flies so fast.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

Previous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34390556 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34390556

mormoNlGGER 4y ago
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newaccount2021 4y ago

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indymike 4y ago

At least this isn't a law defining pi=3.15, but it is close in it's shortsightedness.

mattmaroon 4y ago

I’m really curious to see how the inevitable court challenges go if this law is passed. I’m sure this will be called unconstitutional in several different ways by detractors, and they’re going to be fighting basically everyone but big oil. Power companies. Natural gas companies (that fuel power plants and want nothing more than for cars to electrify, effectively stealing oil business), car companies (which are all pushing to electrify), environmentalists.

WhiskeyChicken 4y ago
It's not a law, it's a joint resolution with no power to do anything.

tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago

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WhiskeyChicken 4y ago

For all those who haven't or won't bother to read it, this is a "joint resolution" - meaning it isn't a proposed law and would have zero effect on anything.

digdigdag 4y ago

This is just a symbolic hand-wavy gesture. Nothing Wyoming does in this context is of meaningful consequence to the rest of the nation. Why you ask? It has < 200 registered EVs in the entire state. Per this data they don't even register in the scale: https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10962 https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10962 What are they even phasing out?

WhiskeyChicken 4y ago
It's actually supposed to be only symbolic given that it's a joint resolution and not a law.

NIpGGERoNlGGER 4y ago

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NIpGGERoNlGGER 4y ago

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mormoNlGGER 4y ago

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rgmerk 4y ago

Worth noting that the bill is purely a statement of support for the idea and does not change any Wyoming laws. It’s a stupid piece of theatre, but, hey, it’s what Republicans do best these days.

mormoNlGGER 4y ago

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mormoNlGGER 4y ago

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Kim_Bruning 4y ago

I'd actually never really consciously noticed that legislators can be trolls too, in their own way!

realworldperson 4y ago

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