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The reservoir system in California was originally set up to cater to the typical five year peaks and troughs in rain fall so there would always be stored water.

The reservoir system in California was originally set up to cater to the typical five year peaks and troughs in rain fall so there would always be stored water. Half the California population is in Los Angeles and below but their water is coming from northern California. https://www.californiasun.co/the-curiously-lop-sided-population-of-california/ https://www.californiasun.co/the-curiously-lop-sided-populat... California's infrastructure was built to serve a population of 20m but it is currently at 40m and rising with no efforts despite funding in place to increase water storage and service, just bleating about 'droughts'. The last reservoir was created in 1980, 40+ years ago. The climate anxiety crowd would like you to think water is 'running out' but the reality is just spectacular mismanagement incompetence. https://andthewest.stanford.edu/2022/does-drought-prone-california-need-another-reservoir/ https://andthewest.stanford.edu/2022/does-drought-prone-cali...

colechristensen 4y ago
> currently at 40m and rising California population is down half a million since July 2020 and continues to shrink.
- olivermarks 4y ago
  Documented population...everyone uses water though
yellowapple 4y ago
> Half the California population is in Los Angeles and below but their water is coming from northern California. And what's not coming from NorCal is coming from the Colorado River. > The climate anxiety crowd would like you to think water is 'running out' but the reality is just spectacular mismanagement incompetence. The reality is both. California was able to get away with mismanagement for a long time, but climate change throwing a wrench in the wet/dry cycle means getting away with said mismanagement is decreasingly viable. Aquifers / water tables are dangerously low and getting lower. California has one of the longest coastlines in the US. Droughts could be entirely irrelevant if California extracted its cranium from its rectum and put that coastline to use with desal plants galore.
- TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
  Don't even need desalination plants; They could use tidal energy to spray seawater into the air, increasing evaporation and rainfall. They could pump seawater to several valleys below sealevel, and naturally desalinate, but they would have to cooperate with other states. And those are just a few of many possibilities.
  - zach_garwood 4y ago
    > They could pump seawater to several valleys below sealevel, and naturally desalinate Could you explain how this works? Why does the valley need to be below sea level?
    - TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
      A few valleys eaat of the west coast are below sealevel. They don't have to be, but piping seawater there would save cost as the water level tries to reach equilibrium. Then they just need to let the hot sun do its' work, and occasionally open the valve. The Salton Sea, CA, e.g. is 38m below sealevel. Another reason to use below sealevel may be safety: Not all cracks and ground fissures are known, and pumping in large quantitues of saltwater may have an undesired effect on groundwater. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_on_land_with_elevations_below_sea_level https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_on_land_with_...
gumby 4y ago
The snowpack is an important part of the storage infrastructure. It used to last well into summer, but rising temperatures have put an end to that. So things are worse than the reservoir numbers alone can show.
lern_too_spel 4y ago
> California's infrastructure was built to serve a population of 20m but it is currently at 40m and rising with no efforts despite funding in place to increase water storage and service, just bleating about 'droughts'.... The climate anxiety crowd would like you to think water is 'running out' but the reality is just spectacular mismanagement incompetence. And the climate change deniers would like you to think that money that wasn't appropriated in 2018 still isn't appropriated in 2023. https://bondaccountability.resources.ca.gov/P1Program.aspx?ProgramAllocationPK=606&Program=Water%20Storage%20Investment%20Program&ProgramPK=451&PropositionPK=48 https://bondaccountability.resources.ca.gov/P1Program.aspx?P...
- olivermarks 4y ago
  Why would 'climate change deniers' think that money that wasn't appropriated in 2018 still isn't appropriated in 2023? You'd think people would just want the more reliable water supply they voted for regardless of their beliefs...
  - lern_too_spel 4y ago
    > Why would 'climate change deniers' think that money that wasn't appropriated in 2018 still isn't appropriated in 2023? You tell me. I can think of two possible reasons. Either they don't know how to read well, leading to both their climate change denialism and a submission headline that claims the money isn't being spent based on an article written in 2018, or they can read and understand that humans are causing the climate to change rapidly with catastrophic results and that the money is being spent but prefer to mislead like Exxon, API, Shell, and Total.
    - olivermarks 4y ago
      'humans are causing the climate to change rapidly with catastrophic results and that the money is being spent but prefer to mislead like Exxon, API, Shell, and Total.' I think you need to calm down a bit here. The money still isn't being spent on water infrastructure five years after the 2018 approval vote. How is Exxon, API, Shell, and Total misleading California voters over water infrastructure?
mapmap 4y ago
>The last reservoir was created in 1980 Is this true? Diamond Valley Lake was started in 1995 and completed in 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Valley_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Valley_Lake
- olivermarks 4y ago
  Thanks for this. It's strange when you search for the last reservoir built in California 1985 comes up multiple times but diamond lake was completed in 2003 as you say.

colechristensen 4y ago

> currently at 40m and rising California population is down half a million since July 2020 and continues to shrink.

olivermarks 4y ago
Documented population...everyone uses water though

yellowapple 4y ago

> Half the California population is in Los Angeles and below but their water is coming from northern California. And what's not coming from NorCal is coming from the Colorado River. > The climate anxiety crowd would like you to think water is 'running out' but the reality is just spectacular mismanagement incompetence. The reality is both. California was able to get away with mismanagement for a long time, but climate change throwing a wrench in the wet/dry cycle means getting away with said mismanagement is decreasingly viable. Aquifers / water tables are dangerously low and getting lower. California has one of the longest coastlines in the US. Droughts could be entirely irrelevant if California extracted its cranium from its rectum and put that coastline to use with desal plants galore.

TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
Don't even need desalination plants; They could use tidal energy to spray seawater into the air, increasing evaporation and rainfall. They could pump seawater to several valleys below sealevel, and naturally desalinate, but they would have to cooperate with other states. And those are just a few of many possibilities.
- zach_garwood 4y ago
  > They could pump seawater to several valleys below sealevel, and naturally desalinate Could you explain how this works? Why does the valley need to be below sea level?
  - TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
    A few valleys eaat of the west coast are below sealevel. They don't have to be, but piping seawater there would save cost as the water level tries to reach equilibrium. Then they just need to let the hot sun do its' work, and occasionally open the valve. The Salton Sea, CA, e.g. is 38m below sealevel. Another reason to use below sealevel may be safety: Not all cracks and ground fissures are known, and pumping in large quantitues of saltwater may have an undesired effect on groundwater. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_on_land_with_elevations_below_sea_level https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_places_on_land_with_...

gumby 4y ago

The snowpack is an important part of the storage infrastructure. It used to last well into summer, but rising temperatures have put an end to that. So things are worse than the reservoir numbers alone can show.

lern_too_spel 4y ago

> California's infrastructure was built to serve a population of 20m but it is currently at 40m and rising with no efforts despite funding in place to increase water storage and service, just bleating about 'droughts'.... The climate anxiety crowd would like you to think water is 'running out' but the reality is just spectacular mismanagement incompetence. And the climate change deniers would like you to think that money that wasn't appropriated in 2018 still isn't appropriated in 2023. https://bondaccountability.resources.ca.gov/P1Program.aspx?ProgramAllocationPK=606&Program=Water%20Storage%20Investment%20Program&ProgramPK=451&PropositionPK=48 https://bondaccountability.resources.ca.gov/P1Program.aspx?P...

olivermarks 4y ago
Why would 'climate change deniers' think that money that wasn't appropriated in 2018 still isn't appropriated in 2023? You'd think people would just want the more reliable water supply they voted for regardless of their beliefs...
- lern_too_spel 4y ago
  > Why would 'climate change deniers' think that money that wasn't appropriated in 2018 still isn't appropriated in 2023? You tell me. I can think of two possible reasons. Either they don't know how to read well, leading to both their climate change denialism and a submission headline that claims the money isn't being spent based on an article written in 2018, or they can read and understand that humans are causing the climate to change rapidly with catastrophic results and that the money is being spent but prefer to mislead like Exxon, API, Shell, and Total.
  - olivermarks 4y ago
    'humans are causing the climate to change rapidly with catastrophic results and that the money is being spent but prefer to mislead like Exxon, API, Shell, and Total.' I think you need to calm down a bit here. The money still isn't being spent on water infrastructure five years after the 2018 approval vote. How is Exxon, API, Shell, and Total misleading California voters over water infrastructure?

mapmap 4y ago

>The last reservoir was created in 1980 Is this true? Diamond Valley Lake was started in 1995 and completed in 2003. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Valley_Lake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Valley_Lake

olivermarks 4y ago
Thanks for this. It's strange when you search for the last reservoir built in California 1985 comes up multiple times but diamond lake was completed in 2003 as you say.