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>I hate that they call this having a "near-collision" >They came close to having a collision What? >but there was nothing like any sort of collision Because

>I hate that they call this having a "near-collision" >They came close to having a collision What? >but there was nothing like any sort of collision Because "near"

moloch-hai 4y ago
No bad thing happened, except Delta cancelling its flight. The bad thing was prevented by quick action.
- Nicksil 4y ago
  >No bad thing happened Right, because "near." It's in the title.
- jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
  "Near collision" in this case is perfectly ordinary english phrasing. It does not assert a collision happened.
  - blackshaw 4y ago
    Unless you ask George Carlin: https://youtu.be/zDKdvTecYAM https://youtu.be/zDKdvTecYAM
    - saalweachter 4y ago
      Without re-watching the video in question, wasn't Carlin's complaint about a "near miss"? A "near collision" is everything he asked for.
      - blackshaw 4y ago
        .... damn, you're right.
      - moloch-hai 4y ago
        Yeah, he's wrong. Was it any kind of collision? No, it wasn't. There was no collision of any kind. Was it any kind of miss? Yes, it was a miss. What kind? A near one.
- throwaway675309 4y ago
  100% false. A runway incursion of this magnitude would absolutely be classified as a "bad thing". You're getting hung up on semantics.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Delta itself has likely tens of thousands in consequential financial losses from this event, if not more. And lives were put at risk.
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madrox 4y ago
Not OP, but "near collision" implies the very close passing of two objects. These two planes did not come close. Instead, action was taken to avert an almost sure collision. That said, this is all pedantic.
- sealeck 4y ago
  Distance is relative; for an aircraft about to take off, moving at 50m/s means that 1000ft is a short distance - obviously for a human walking it feels much further. See e.g. stopping distances for car drivers at different speeds.
- krisoft 4y ago
  > "near collision" implies the very close passing of two objects Near collision is not about inches of distance. It is how close we got to an accident happening. If the timing were a little bit different, or someone noticed things a little bit late, or the weather were a bit foggier, or the runway a bit slipperier we could have two burning wrecks and everyone on-board dead. “Near collision” is exactly right here. So many things went wrong here, and the fact that everything turned out fine were up to chance. That is we come near to a collision happening.

>I hate that they call this having a "near-collision" >They came close to having a collision What? >but there was nothing like any sort of collision Because "near"

moloch-hai 4y ago

No bad thing happened, except Delta cancelling its flight. The bad thing was prevented by quick action.

Nicksil 4y ago
>No bad thing happened Right, because "near." It's in the title.
jasonwatkinspdx 4y ago
"Near collision" in this case is perfectly ordinary english phrasing. It does not assert a collision happened.
- blackshaw 4y ago
  Unless you ask George Carlin: https://youtu.be/zDKdvTecYAM https://youtu.be/zDKdvTecYAM
  - saalweachter 4y ago
    Without re-watching the video in question, wasn't Carlin's complaint about a "near miss"? A "near collision" is everything he asked for.
    - blackshaw 4y ago
      .... damn, you're right.
    - moloch-hai 4y ago
      Yeah, he's wrong. Was it any kind of collision? No, it wasn't. There was no collision of any kind. Was it any kind of miss? Yes, it was a miss. What kind? A near one.
throwaway675309 4y ago
100% false. A runway incursion of this magnitude would absolutely be classified as a "bad thing". You're getting hung up on semantics.
kube-system 4y ago
Delta itself has likely tens of thousands in consequential financial losses from this event, if not more. And lives were put at risk.

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madrox 4y ago

Not OP, but "near collision" implies the very close passing of two objects. These two planes did not come close. Instead, action was taken to avert an almost sure collision. That said, this is all pedantic.

sealeck 4y ago
Distance is relative; for an aircraft about to take off, moving at 50m/s means that 1000ft is a short distance - obviously for a human walking it feels much further. See e.g. stopping distances for car drivers at different speeds.
krisoft 4y ago
> "near collision" implies the very close passing of two objects Near collision is not about inches of distance. It is how close we got to an accident happening. If the timing were a little bit different, or someone noticed things a little bit late, or the weather were a bit foggier, or the runway a bit slipperier we could have two burning wrecks and everyone on-board dead. “Near collision” is exactly right here. So many things went wrong here, and the fact that everything turned out fine were up to chance. That is we come near to a collision happening.