Totally fair. Yeah should have specified I'm talking fairly new stuff, at least new enough it all has HTML5 consoles and mildly more polish. Not that there aren

Totally fair. Yeah should have specified I'm talking fairly new stuff, at least new enough it all has HTML5 consoles and mildly more polish. Not that there aren't problems, less a "bug" then a "cutting edge for newbies" it does near zilch certificate validation for example. So when the friendly new guy wasn't paying attention and generated a client instead of server certificate and uploaded it to a remote one it cheerfully accepted it and whoops! Operator error of course but the real point was that remote rectifying it proved surprisingly impossible despite still having admin serial/ssh access. Documentation is bad and didn't seem to like typical reset codes or tools. I guess after lots of problems with expensive "high end" fancy stuff like HPE's and co I kind of felt resigned that all BMC/IPMI was kind of crap, and at least with SM's I felt less obviously squeezed. Like I said math will all be different for high end stuff and big herds. But neither Dell or HPE's struck me as "oh yeah that's worth an extra $300 on every single last server!"