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Mammonart

48 points by maxwell 4y ago

tkgally 4y ago
This article made the HN front page without any comments, so here are mine: I knew about Upton Sinclair and read his The Jungle many years ago, but I had never heard of Mammonart. According to the linked Wikipedia article, “Mammonart has been mostly ignored by critics. Very few reviews are available from online scholarly databases.” That immediately piqued my interest. The edition of Mammonart at the Internet Archive [1] was published by the author. Publishing one’s own writing used to be derided (“vanity press”). Since the Internet, though, millions of people do that now every day, and I am glad they do. Thanks again to the Internet Archive for making forgotten books like this available to everyone. [1] https://archive.org/details/mammonart0000unse/page/n3/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/mammonart0000unse/page/n3/mode/2...
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  He also wrote about the "Yellow Press" which use click-bait (to use a modern term) and articles without substance to rake in profits. He should see the current mass media...
  - tkgally 4y ago
    Yes! Here is his 1919 book The Brass Check: A Study of American Journalism, also self-published and also courtesy of the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/cu31924026364251/page/n3/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/cu31924026364251/page/n3/mode/2u...
roenxi 4y ago
Interestingly, Upton Sinclair was a socialist before the cold war and the eventual fall of the USSR. This Wikipedia article inspired me to go and find a copy of Upton Sinclair on the Soviet Union and give it a read. It is interesting and quite a nuanced view that stood up rather well to the test of time. Although, doubly interesting, reasonable and articulate men could understand that Communism wasn't all that wonderful but really didn't grasp the threat posed by it as an ideology. Socialists have a blind spot for how people acting out of self interest is the only foundation for a fair society.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  "acting out of self interest is the only foundation for a fair society" I find this hilarious for some reason. Can't stop smiling.
  - qsort 4y ago
    We could reword it as "a fair society is when incentives exist such that self interest is sufficiently aligned with collective welfare", but what's so funny about it? It's a rather obvious observation.
    - actionfromafar 4y ago
      That's not rewording, that's saying something else entirely.
    - giraffe_lady 4y ago
      Everywhere I look I see anything but a fair society, no matter how much acting out of self-interest is allowed or rewarded.
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- pvg 4y ago
  stood up rather well to the test of time It's a reply to an open letter by Eugene Lyons titled 'The Terror in Russia' written at a time of peak mass terror. A bit from Sinclair's reply: This you describe as "apologetics for mass brutality, official sadism and totalitarian suppression of elementary human rights." These are powerful and all-inclusive words, and I think they fail to allow for the opening of hundreds of thousands of schools and the education of a hundred million illiterate people. I could give a long list of improvements in Russia which I think you fail to allow for in your letter to me. You point out the fact that I have not visited Russia, and suggest that this indicates my "panicky fear of facing the facts." It hasn't stood the test of time at all, Lyons was right on this point and Sinclair was woefully wrong. Sinclair took another decade or two to recognize this.
engineer_22 4y ago
Mammon in Hebrew means money. There is a religious connotation to the word in english. Mammon in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. The Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke both quote Jesus using the word in a phrase often rendered in English as "You cannot serve both God and mammon."[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon

48 points by maxwell 4y ago

This article made the HN front page without any comments, so here are mine: I knew about Upton Sinclair and read his The Jungle many years ago, but I had never heard of Mammonart. According to the linked Wikipedia article, “Mammonart has been mostly ignored by critics. Very few reviews are available from online scholarly databases.” That immediately piqued my interest. The edition of Mammonart at the Internet Archive [1] was published by the author. Publishing one’s own writing used to be derided (“vanity press”). Since the Internet, though, millions of people do that now every day, and I am glad they do. Thanks again to the Internet Archive for making forgotten books like this available to everyone. [1] https://archive.org/details/mammonart0000unse/page/n3/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/mammonart0000unse/page/n3/mode/2...

actionfromafar 4y ago
He also wrote about the "Yellow Press" which use click-bait (to use a modern term) and articles without substance to rake in profits. He should see the current mass media...
- tkgally 4y ago
  Yes! Here is his 1919 book The Brass Check: A Study of American Journalism, also self-published and also courtesy of the Internet Archive: https://archive.org/details/cu31924026364251/page/n3/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/cu31924026364251/page/n3/mode/2u...

roenxi 4y ago

Interestingly, Upton Sinclair was a socialist before the cold war and the eventual fall of the USSR. This Wikipedia article inspired me to go and find a copy of Upton Sinclair on the Soviet Union and give it a read. It is interesting and quite a nuanced view that stood up rather well to the test of time. Although, doubly interesting, reasonable and articulate men could understand that Communism wasn't all that wonderful but really didn't grasp the threat posed by it as an ideology. Socialists have a blind spot for how people acting out of self interest is the only foundation for a fair society.

actionfromafar 4y ago
"acting out of self interest is the only foundation for a fair society" I find this hilarious for some reason. Can't stop smiling.
- qsort 4y ago
  We could reword it as "a fair society is when incentives exist such that self interest is sufficiently aligned with collective welfare", but what's so funny about it? It's a rather obvious observation.
  - actionfromafar 4y ago
    That's not rewording, that's saying something else entirely.
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    Everywhere I look I see anything but a fair society, no matter how much acting out of self-interest is allowed or rewarded.
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pvg 4y ago
stood up rather well to the test of time It's a reply to an open letter by Eugene Lyons titled 'The Terror in Russia' written at a time of peak mass terror. A bit from Sinclair's reply: This you describe as "apologetics for mass brutality, official sadism and totalitarian suppression of elementary human rights." These are powerful and all-inclusive words, and I think they fail to allow for the opening of hundreds of thousands of schools and the education of a hundred million illiterate people. I could give a long list of improvements in Russia which I think you fail to allow for in your letter to me. You point out the fact that I have not visited Russia, and suggest that this indicates my "panicky fear of facing the facts." It hasn't stood the test of time at all, Lyons was right on this point and Sinclair was woefully wrong. Sinclair took another decade or two to recognize this.

engineer_22 4y ago

Mammon in Hebrew means money. There is a religious connotation to the word in english. Mammon in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. The Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke both quote Jesus using the word in a phrase often rendered in English as "You cannot serve both God and mammon."[1] [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon