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Songs of the south Any Tom and Jerry episode involving Mammy Two Shoes A few WW2 era animations, Hitler-Donald duck springs to mind.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
“Song of the South” is a full-length Disney film and the first to mix live action with animation. One might think with that historic meaning, it would be preserved. But it’s impossible to find. Even eBay has banned sale of the DVD. Fortunately I have a copy my father ripped to DVD from some unknown source sometime in the 90s. It’s poor quality.
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  If you look into it, Disney (because, well... money, not any actual guilt) actually sold VHS tapes from the 90s to the early 00s in many countries except the US. Many "bootleg" copies originate from them. You can find the VHS on eBay for ~$40-$50 from the UK.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    Interesting. I guess VHS is the low-quality source of my DVD rip.
    - gjsman-1000 4y ago
      Another thing you can look into, here's the secret words: Canción del sur. The film went public domain in Spain. And surprise, there's some boutique resellers in Spain who do DVDs and Blu-rays... and add language tracks... https://www.amazon.com/Song-South-Blu-Ray-Reg-Spain/dp/B09BDXRLNB/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1450QI0W3UBIW&keywords=song+of+the+south&qid=1673820490&s=movies-tv&sprefix=song+of+the+south%2Cmovies-tv%2C117&sr=1-4 https://www.amazon.com/Song-South-Blu-Ray-Reg-Spain/dp/B09BD...
      - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
        Thanks!!
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    Also “ The Princess and the Frog “ and “ Mary Poppins “ (1964)
    - dmd 4y ago
      What about them? The Princess and the Frog is from 2009.
      - Retric 4y ago
        There’s many earlier versions of that story ex: “The Frog (1908)” But I don’t know which is being referred to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince
        dmd 4y ago
        Sure. But the one titled The Princess and the Frog is 2009.
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        Retric 4y ago
        Yea, but it was a common way to describe the story before Disney titled their movie that way. So, I wasn’t sure if they where suggesting a VHS version of that 2009 movie existed, making reference to the meme around the 2009 movie being a throwback, or just something else.
- irthomasthomas 4y ago
  https://ok.ru/video/2507546102438 https://ok.ru/video/2507546102438
- disillusioned 4y ago
  I mean, it's available right here: https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouthHD https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouthHD But also worth noting that it _wasn't_ the first to mix live action with animation. It had been used in shorts and experiments all the way back to 1900, but for a full-length film, Warner Bros. released You Ought to Be in Pictures in 1940. And The Three Cabelleros beat it by nearly two years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIBUlP3GC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIBUlP3GC4 More on that history here: https://www.motionpictures.org/2013/07/from-gene-kelly-to-the-smurfs-2-a-brief-history-of-live-action-animation https://www.motionpictures.org/2013/07/from-gene-kelly-to-th...
- squokko 4y ago
  eBay banning the sale of the DVD is extremely dystopian
  - ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
    Why is it an issue for eBay to ban it when there's already a list of prohibited categories of items? It's easy enough to download a copy of it if you're interested in banned items.
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      Because it's a value judgement. It's one thing to say "we don't deal in porn and guns" but to then pick specific media they do deal in and say "oh and also this one" imparts the kind of fine-grained value judgement that it's inappropriate for an eCommerce platform to be making.
      - ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
        I see your point, but there's also value judgements with other categories. How is an "adult" or "pornography" item defined? Personally, I don't have an issue with a business choosing to ban or allow items as it's their platform and their business choice. If they choose to not sell any lithium batteries due to their flammable nature, then that would also be acceptable and not in my mind dystopian. There's arguably some risk in being involved with sending potentially offensive media through the mail.
      - Feuilles_Mortes 4y ago
        it's a private company
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    Is there any more dystopian than Google editing Frank Zappa’s track listings because of a single track?
Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago
> Any Tom and Jerry episode involving Mammy Two Shoes Since I watched Tom and Jerry cartoons many, many times, I just looked up who this is (although I kinda had inferred it, there aren't that many characters in Tom and Jerry :)) and why she's a problem. Curiously, I always thought she was the owner of the house, so any racist undertones were totally lost on me (note that I'm not American). (I did get that they were quite sexist, no man doing housework ever). I don't deny the racist intent, but it's funny how one needs the cultural context to get that. I hope in a few decades it will be lost on every kid.
- jterrys 4y ago
  Mammy was lost on pretty much every kid, even in America. Her relevance resurfaced when 'problematic' became part of the common nomenclature to describe such caricatures. If she was, as we say, problematic, there would've been a helluva lot more racist kids running around, probably.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    >> If she was, as we say, problematic, there would've been a helluva lot more racist kids running around, probably. That's not how those things work. And from the outside looking in, there seem to be quite a few racists in the age group that crew up with Tom and Jerry...
    - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
      Oh please. Pretty much all these old tropes that we today consider stereotypes about who is at what station in life, and what what kinds of businesses and activities various races and nationalities engage in are completely and totally irrelevant in an age where the help may be any color, the laundromat could be run by anybody, the banker's religion is a toss up and the immigrant tradesman could be from almost any corner of the earth. Without the day to day reality of a living in a mostly racially/ethnically segregated (by law or by cultural norm, doesn't really matter) for these tropes to reinforce they are meaningless as stereotypes. Their only use is for people like you to earn a few quick social credit points taking a stand against.

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago

“Song of the South” is a full-length Disney film and the first to mix live action with animation. One might think with that historic meaning, it would be preserved. But it’s impossible to find. Even eBay has banned sale of the DVD. Fortunately I have a copy my father ripped to DVD from some unknown source sometime in the 90s. It’s poor quality.

gjsman-1000 4y ago
If you look into it, Disney (because, well... money, not any actual guilt) actually sold VHS tapes from the 90s to the early 00s in many countries except the US. Many "bootleg" copies originate from them. You can find the VHS on eBay for ~$40-$50 from the UK.
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  Interesting. I guess VHS is the low-quality source of my DVD rip.
  - gjsman-1000 4y ago
    Another thing you can look into, here's the secret words: Canción del sur. The film went public domain in Spain. And surprise, there's some boutique resellers in Spain who do DVDs and Blu-rays... and add language tracks... https://www.amazon.com/Song-South-Blu-Ray-Reg-Spain/dp/B09BDXRLNB/ref=sr_1_4?crid=1450QI0W3UBIW&keywords=song+of+the+south&qid=1673820490&s=movies-tv&sprefix=song+of+the+south%2Cmovies-tv%2C117&sr=1-4 https://www.amazon.com/Song-South-Blu-Ray-Reg-Spain/dp/B09BD...
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      Thanks!!
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  Also “ The Princess and the Frog “ and “ Mary Poppins “ (1964)
  - dmd 4y ago
    What about them? The Princess and the Frog is from 2009.
    - Retric 4y ago
      There’s many earlier versions of that story ex: “The Frog (1908)” But I don’t know which is being referred to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Frog_Prince
      - dmd 4y ago
        Sure. But the one titled The Princess and the Frog is 2009.
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        Retric 4y ago
        Yea, but it was a common way to describe the story before Disney titled their movie that way. So, I wasn’t sure if they where suggesting a VHS version of that 2009 movie existed, making reference to the meme around the 2009 movie being a throwback, or just something else.
irthomasthomas 4y ago
https://ok.ru/video/2507546102438 https://ok.ru/video/2507546102438
disillusioned 4y ago
I mean, it's available right here: https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouthHD https://archive.org/details/SongOfTheSouthHD But also worth noting that it _wasn't_ the first to mix live action with animation. It had been used in shorts and experiments all the way back to 1900, but for a full-length film, Warner Bros. released You Ought to Be in Pictures in 1940. And The Three Cabelleros beat it by nearly two years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIBUlP3GC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIBUlP3GC4 More on that history here: https://www.motionpictures.org/2013/07/from-gene-kelly-to-the-smurfs-2-a-brief-history-of-live-action-animation https://www.motionpictures.org/2013/07/from-gene-kelly-to-th...
squokko 4y ago
eBay banning the sale of the DVD is extremely dystopian
- ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
  Why is it an issue for eBay to ban it when there's already a list of prohibited categories of items? It's easy enough to download a copy of it if you're interested in banned items.
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    Because it's a value judgement. It's one thing to say "we don't deal in porn and guns" but to then pick specific media they do deal in and say "oh and also this one" imparts the kind of fine-grained value judgement that it's inappropriate for an eCommerce platform to be making.
    - ndsipa_pomu 4y ago
      I see your point, but there's also value judgements with other categories. How is an "adult" or "pornography" item defined? Personally, I don't have an issue with a business choosing to ban or allow items as it's their platform and their business choice. If they choose to not sell any lithium batteries due to their flammable nature, then that would also be acceptable and not in my mind dystopian. There's arguably some risk in being involved with sending potentially offensive media through the mail.
    - Feuilles_Mortes 4y ago
      it's a private company
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  Is there any more dystopian than Google editing Frank Zappa’s track listings because of a single track?

Al-Khwarizmi 4y ago

> Any Tom and Jerry episode involving Mammy Two Shoes Since I watched Tom and Jerry cartoons many, many times, I just looked up who this is (although I kinda had inferred it, there aren't that many characters in Tom and Jerry :)) and why she's a problem. Curiously, I always thought she was the owner of the house, so any racist undertones were totally lost on me (note that I'm not American). (I did get that they were quite sexist, no man doing housework ever). I don't deny the racist intent, but it's funny how one needs the cultural context to get that. I hope in a few decades it will be lost on every kid.

jterrys 4y ago
Mammy was lost on pretty much every kid, even in America. Her relevance resurfaced when 'problematic' became part of the common nomenclature to describe such caricatures. If she was, as we say, problematic, there would've been a helluva lot more racist kids running around, probably.
- hef19898 4y ago
  >> If she was, as we say, problematic, there would've been a helluva lot more racist kids running around, probably. That's not how those things work. And from the outside looking in, there seem to be quite a few racists in the age group that crew up with Tom and Jerry...
  - dsfyu404ed 4y ago
    Oh please. Pretty much all these old tropes that we today consider stereotypes about who is at what station in life, and what what kinds of businesses and activities various races and nationalities engage in are completely and totally irrelevant in an age where the help may be any color, the laundromat could be run by anybody, the banker's religion is a toss up and the immigrant tradesman could be from almost any corner of the earth. Without the day to day reality of a living in a mostly racially/ethnically segregated (by law or by cultural norm, doesn't really matter) for these tropes to reinforce they are meaningless as stereotypes. Their only use is for people like you to earn a few quick social credit points taking a stand against.