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I regularly 'help' my family with out of pocket purchases and expenses. I avoid giving money directly unless as cash because they prefer it that way. I also sub

I regularly 'help' my family with out of pocket purchases and expenses. I avoid giving money directly unless as cash because they prefer it that way. I also subsidize one parents rent by offering her reduced rent at a property I own. We still have a contract, but she doesn't pay the full amount I would charge other tenants. The reality for many of us who grew up in poverty and may have 'made it' to a greater or lesser extent is that our families are likely didn't. It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. I find it highly disappointing.

bertjk 4y ago
What do you mean by M's and Z's?
- sinistersnare 4y ago
  Millenials and Zoomers, I assume
- simonw 4y ago
  My guess is millennials and zoomers, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z
gameshot911 4y ago
Children have a "responsibility" for their parents in the same way that a tourist has a "responsibility" to give money to those people who run up and tie a bracelet to your wrist, then demand payment. It was a unilateral action - the tourist didn't ask for it, even if they (or did not) benefit from it. "Kind"? "Nice to do"? Sure. But a responsibility? Absolutely not.
- gkfasdfasdf 4y ago
  Children taking responsibility for elderly parents is how society has functioned for millenia. It's a good system.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    I disagree. I hope my children do not spend inordinate amount of resources helping me. I want them to live life while they are young and healthy. If I ever need day to day care for basic needs, I hope I can put myself out of my misery. I want society’s resources to go towards the young, not to keep 80+ year olds limping along. I watched my parents spend their youth taking care of day to day needs for my dad’s elderly parents. What a waste. My grandparents lived far too long, especially at my mom’s expense.
- NikolaNovak 4y ago
  Responsibility is probably a socio cultural construct here. My perspective is one absolutely does have responsibility to their parents (exceptional circumstances aside), but I have noticed that as one of the major differences between north America and where I grew up (on both sides of the life equation mind you: where I was born kids weren't supposed to get jobs in high school or pay rent until at least out of university,and generally stay in their family home until they're ready to start their own family. Whereas my grade 12 in Minnesota, everybody was looking to get as far away from their parents for university as humanly possible, and those that didn't had to start paying in - whether rent or car insurance or something. So it feels like the social contract is simply different, even if it feels cold to me :)
  - janalsncm 4y ago
    Responsibility is always socially constructed. The idea that one person can “owe” another doesn’t exist without people. It’s not a law of nature. That said, we have drifted very far from the nasty, brutish, and short version of prehistoric society, where your parents might be some of the main people you ever interacted with. Taking care of your parents in that context is quite obvious, because when you were helpless they took care of you, and otherwise no one will take care of them.
    - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
      > Taking care of your parents in that context is quite obvious, because when you were helpless they took care of you Well, let's be clear, that is far from universally true. There's also degrees of care. I absolutely see where the GP is coming from: my parents chose to have me, I didn't choose to have them. So why would I owe them for simply living up to the responsibilities they chose to take on? Now, for amazing, supportive parents, the child will want to support and care for their parents when the time comes. But not everyone has good parents, and I do not believe a child has a responsibility to care for an absent, abusive, or otherwise bad parent simply by dint of genetics.
- gizajob 4y ago
  This is the wrong analogy to use
- topkai22 4y ago
  That is a perspective with support, but I don’t believe it is commonly held. I’ll posit that the vast majority of people are happy at the the fact they exist and so feel there is some degree of obligation to those that enabled that to happen, even outside the normal bonds of familial affection. This belief is common enough that in some circumstances you have not just a moral but legal responsibility to support your parents: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws
- janalsncm 4y ago
  That’s one way to look at it. Here’s another: unless you have an identical twin, there’s no one on the planet who is more closely related to you than your parents are. To a first order approximation, you are them. No one can make you care about other people, but if you choose to do so, your parents are a pretty good choice. They are the only people on the planet who will love you without contingencies. And they won’t be around forever.
kbrannigan 4y ago
You should hear the corporatized therapy advice on tiktok. It's full of nuggets like: - you're not responsible for your parents, you should never have to take care of them because they gave birth to you. - you owe you family nothing. It made me sad, if it weren't for my parents I wouldn't be here today.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  I'm of two minds. If course it sucks to be ungrateful to someone who sacrifices real economic opportunity for you. On the other hand, it's super important for parents to not view their children as property. You're raising something to eventually become a fully fledged, full-agented human, and if they still feel obligated to you purely because of your blood (vs out of seriously analyzing and then concluding that a relationship with you is worth investing into) then you've failed to raise this human with a full sense of agency. Yes, children shouldn't have to take care of their parents just because the parents birthed them. Children should take care of their parents because the child-parent relationship continues to be great.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  > It made me sad, if it weren't for my parents I wouldn't be here today. I am a parent, and I want my kids to feel like they owe me nothing. If they want to help me or or spend time with me, I want it to be because they enjoy it. And I absolutely do not feel that they need to take care of me. I do not want to become a burden for them in a way that prevents them from doing what they want.
blep_ 4y ago
You don't know other people's life situations, even if you know their financial situations. My family consists entirely of terrible people who don't deserve my help. Any success I have is despite them, not because of them. But even for people for whom that's not the case, you do not get to impose your morals on them. The idea of owing your parents anything more than you owe the rest of society is a nonsensical social construct that is thankfully dying out.
- DoYOuGiveMoney 4y ago
  My parents were abusive and negligent towards me though they have tried gaslighting my childhood. I don't gift out of a sense of duty but for my own conscience. My father is elderly, my mother is not in the best health, and I realize my time with them is short.
  - roland35 4y ago
    You’re a better person than me! My parents were also abusive and I haven’t spoken to them in years. Even just thinking about them gets me sad and upset still. No way I’d send a dollar their way!
- cudgy 4y ago
  > The idea of owing your parents anything more than you owe the rest of society is a nonsensical social construct that is thankfully dying out. In your case, my comment likely does not apply as it sounds like you were abused horribly as a child, but the statement above is an extreme perspective to take generally, given that a person’s parent(s), typically at the least, provided them with some level of care when they were infants and young children. Of course, there are rare instances of horrible abuse, but it is not endemic. Also, one cannot even exist without parents, so we owe them at least that consideration versus a random person. Most parents sacrificed some of their future to have children and ignoring that fact is usually (except in extreme cases) reflective of selfishness and self-absorption from the increasingly entitled populations of wealthy countries.
  - blep_ 4y ago
drexlspivey 4y ago
> The reality for many of us who grew up in poverty and may have 'made it' to a greater or lesser extent is that our families are likely didn't. It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. I find it highly disappointing. You are saying this as you are charging rent to your mother? I have never heard of anyone doing that.
- sweetjuly 4y ago
  "Hey mom, the rent board approved an 8.8% rent increase. Please sign this document acknowledging the new rate or indicate that you will vacate within 90 days. Thanks, love you!"
- Pigalowda 4y ago
  Right? If it's rent of $1/month I would totally understand. But the way he phrased it sounds like 25% off his usual going rate. For comedic effect I'll imagine it's 25% off. Or better yet he's charging the entirety of her monthly SSI check and she has to pay for food with a SNAP card.
- Kokouane 4y ago
  Perhaps they cannot afford the mortgage payments without some assistance in the rent? Charging her a reduced rent is still better than the cost of living elsewhere.
  - jimmux 4y ago
    I'm not in the US so rules are different here, but that's somewhat the situation for me as my mother's "landlord". My mum also insists on paying so she can feel at least some ownership in the property. There are other factors. I make a loss on renting this property, which has to be reported for tax reasons. If I was charging below market rates it could raise flags. Because my mum also receives an allowance as full time carer for my aunt, it additionally allows them to also claim a bit in rent assistance. This felt a bit off at first but I have confirmed it's all above board. Better than paying off someone else's mortgage. Most importantly, a few years ago my mum was homeless and my aunt had nobody willing to care for her. This way they have a secure roof over their heads so I have no regrets. Then there's my brothers who have moved in rent-free while they get back on their feet after a rough patch. It's tough for a lot of people out there, so we have to do what works.
brailsafe 4y ago
I suppose that could be an interesting thing to elaborate on. Do you feel like M's and Zs should feel responsible for their families any specific way? I'm 30 and it's hard to see a future where I'll have any of the financial advantages they did. It's possible, if things go amazingly well, even though I make at least 2.5x their salary at any given moment (on the very low end for a software dev in general with >5 years experience) I likely won't have kids, might not ever own a home, might end up homeless again, but everyone's situation is different. Granted, they had kids accidentally, and screwed up their entire adulthood from day 3, but things seemed a little more forgiving because their parents didn't do that.
- RosanaAnaDana 4y ago
  I think we're all responsible for each other in some way. It doesn't have to explicitly be your biological family, but industrialization has resulted in the atomization of social bonds and familial units, largely in an effort to commoditize and monetize them. Humans evolved in large social units, and we relied on social bonds not only for a shared sense of identity and community, but also for protection, the shared accumulation of resources, etc. Modern society appears to make many of those evolved tendencies no longer a priority. However, with a bit of a deeper stare, many of the ills we all suffer in this world can be seen as an extension of this atomization. I suppose my broader thesis is that I think we're all responsible for one another in some way. It doesn't need to and shouldn't go beyond your means, but if you can help someone else out, you should. Another example, is that during the pandemic, I let some neighbors and friends take over sections of one of my yards for gardening. They ripped up an area of maybe 200 sq feet, and planted a nice garden for themselves. I had already built and established my own raised beds, but they lived in an apartment, and didn't have access to a community garden. Its a small nicety, a tiny bit of community, but it was basically no effort and minor cost to me to do so. I'm by no means suggesting that you should impoverish yourself to help other people. I'm following a broader thesis that human bonds and community are things that require building, not bought or borrowed. I do so where I can when I have the means to do so. And this is where my disappointment with M and Z lay. I don't blame them; I attribute it to the commercialization of all things that has resulted from whatever this modern quagmire we're in is. I'm squarely an 'M', but so many of this generation seem to think that community is something they can buy. They don't seem interested or to understand that sometimes you have to dig your heals in and build the world you want to see. I don't think B was any better in this regard, but M and Z don't have the advantage of a favorable game board to play on. We'll have to do things differently to win. I think maybe I got lucky, in that I had a period of a couple of years of homelessness after I got out of military service. I ended up in the anarchist/ revolutionary scene, and saw people building a community they wanted to be a part of. They did what they needed to for survival, and a big part of that was building a community. Creating social bonds and ties. Giving and receiving small kindness from one another, like a deal on rent or a space to garden. Offering kindesses where you can is one way to create community, and if you can afford to do so, you should. I've carried that sentiment with me through the decisions I make. If I can make an effort or offer a small kindness, I will. I'm trying to build community where I stand. Its not something I expect to buy or have to rent. It comes from within ourselves.
danpalmer 4y ago
> It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. Is it really so shocking given the vast generational wealth inequality in much of society today? In many families the previous generation who may have been working class and earning relatively little, are now property owners, having bought when housing cost far less relative to incomes. A generation with property and pensions don't need support from renters on historically low wages.
- eternalban 4y ago
  > A generation with property and pensions don't need support from renters on historically low wages. Right, but we are discussing Mom and Dad and their 'bundles of joy' here, not generational demographic subsets.
- RosanaAnaDana 4y ago
  Its not like the many of the boomer generation have property and pensions either. The tail of the boomers caught the 1980-90's recessions right on the chin, and many lost anything they built up in 2008, ending up renting through till now. Plenty of boomers have lots of property, but its a very bimodal bag of have lots and have nothings.
antisthenes 4y ago
> It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. Probably because most Z's are still just entering the workforce, and most M's have just began to earn decent money, because of the 2008-09 banking crisis. HN is not representative of the population at wide, so the sentiment you're seeing probably doesn't apply to people making $200k+ total comp. > I find it highly disappointing. Do you do anything about it?
- the_only_law 4y ago
  > Probably because most Z's are still just entering the workforce I’m on the older end of GenZ and my parents are middle aged happily working good jobs to support themselves and the new set kids they decided to have. GP really just seems like they wanted to bitch and whine about “kids these days”.
  - antisthenes 4y ago
    > GP really just seems like they wanted to bitch and whine about “kids these days”. Not really. Both things can be true. Some Gen Z/Ys absolutely loathe their parents, some for good reason and some, not so much.
    - the_only_law 4y ago
      That’s not the point. This was not about whether someone “loathes” their parents or not. It’s about a feeling of responsibility and financial support. GenZ is at the oldest ~26. Most of them are probably not in the position to brankroll other people and many of their parents are not helpless seniles anyway. The youngest are still fucking children. Are we seriously expecting teenagers to see themselves as responsible for their parents? And shit if we’re making sweeping generalizations about generations based on personal anecdotes, both my GenX parents had very poor antagonistic relationships with their parents. So don’t try to pin everything on people who came after you.
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bertjk 4y ago

What do you mean by M's and Z's?

sinistersnare 4y ago
Millenials and Zoomers, I assume
simonw 4y ago
My guess is millennials and zoomers, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Z

gameshot911 4y ago

Children have a "responsibility" for their parents in the same way that a tourist has a "responsibility" to give money to those people who run up and tie a bracelet to your wrist, then demand payment. It was a unilateral action - the tourist didn't ask for it, even if they (or did not) benefit from it. "Kind"? "Nice to do"? Sure. But a responsibility? Absolutely not.

gkfasdfasdf 4y ago
Children taking responsibility for elderly parents is how society has functioned for millenia. It's a good system.
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  I disagree. I hope my children do not spend inordinate amount of resources helping me. I want them to live life while they are young and healthy. If I ever need day to day care for basic needs, I hope I can put myself out of my misery. I want society’s resources to go towards the young, not to keep 80+ year olds limping along. I watched my parents spend their youth taking care of day to day needs for my dad’s elderly parents. What a waste. My grandparents lived far too long, especially at my mom’s expense.
NikolaNovak 4y ago
Responsibility is probably a socio cultural construct here. My perspective is one absolutely does have responsibility to their parents (exceptional circumstances aside), but I have noticed that as one of the major differences between north America and where I grew up (on both sides of the life equation mind you: where I was born kids weren't supposed to get jobs in high school or pay rent until at least out of university,and generally stay in their family home until they're ready to start their own family. Whereas my grade 12 in Minnesota, everybody was looking to get as far away from their parents for university as humanly possible, and those that didn't had to start paying in - whether rent or car insurance or something. So it feels like the social contract is simply different, even if it feels cold to me :)
- janalsncm 4y ago
  Responsibility is always socially constructed. The idea that one person can “owe” another doesn’t exist without people. It’s not a law of nature. That said, we have drifted very far from the nasty, brutish, and short version of prehistoric society, where your parents might be some of the main people you ever interacted with. Taking care of your parents in that context is quite obvious, because when you were helpless they took care of you, and otherwise no one will take care of them.
  - BaseballPhysics 4y ago
    > Taking care of your parents in that context is quite obvious, because when you were helpless they took care of you Well, let's be clear, that is far from universally true. There's also degrees of care. I absolutely see where the GP is coming from: my parents chose to have me, I didn't choose to have them. So why would I owe them for simply living up to the responsibilities they chose to take on? Now, for amazing, supportive parents, the child will want to support and care for their parents when the time comes. But not everyone has good parents, and I do not believe a child has a responsibility to care for an absent, abusive, or otherwise bad parent simply by dint of genetics.
gizajob 4y ago
This is the wrong analogy to use
topkai22 4y ago
That is a perspective with support, but I don’t believe it is commonly held. I’ll posit that the vast majority of people are happy at the the fact they exist and so feel there is some degree of obligation to those that enabled that to happen, even outside the normal bonds of familial affection. This belief is common enough that in some circumstances you have not just a moral but legal responsibility to support your parents: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filial_responsibility_laws
janalsncm 4y ago
That’s one way to look at it. Here’s another: unless you have an identical twin, there’s no one on the planet who is more closely related to you than your parents are. To a first order approximation, you are them. No one can make you care about other people, but if you choose to do so, your parents are a pretty good choice. They are the only people on the planet who will love you without contingencies. And they won’t be around forever.

kbrannigan 4y ago

You should hear the corporatized therapy advice on tiktok. It's full of nuggets like: - you're not responsible for your parents, you should never have to take care of them because they gave birth to you. - you owe you family nothing. It made me sad, if it weren't for my parents I wouldn't be here today.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
I'm of two minds. If course it sucks to be ungrateful to someone who sacrifices real economic opportunity for you. On the other hand, it's super important for parents to not view their children as property. You're raising something to eventually become a fully fledged, full-agented human, and if they still feel obligated to you purely because of your blood (vs out of seriously analyzing and then concluding that a relationship with you is worth investing into) then you've failed to raise this human with a full sense of agency. Yes, children shouldn't have to take care of their parents just because the parents birthed them. Children should take care of their parents because the child-parent relationship continues to be great.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
> It made me sad, if it weren't for my parents I wouldn't be here today. I am a parent, and I want my kids to feel like they owe me nothing. If they want to help me or or spend time with me, I want it to be because they enjoy it. And I absolutely do not feel that they need to take care of me. I do not want to become a burden for them in a way that prevents them from doing what they want.

blep_ 4y ago

You don't know other people's life situations, even if you know their financial situations. My family consists entirely of terrible people who don't deserve my help. Any success I have is despite them, not because of them. But even for people for whom that's not the case, you do not get to impose your morals on them. The idea of owing your parents anything more than you owe the rest of society is a nonsensical social construct that is thankfully dying out.

DoYOuGiveMoney 4y ago
My parents were abusive and negligent towards me though they have tried gaslighting my childhood. I don't gift out of a sense of duty but for my own conscience. My father is elderly, my mother is not in the best health, and I realize my time with them is short.
- roland35 4y ago
  You’re a better person than me! My parents were also abusive and I haven’t spoken to them in years. Even just thinking about them gets me sad and upset still. No way I’d send a dollar their way!
cudgy 4y ago
> The idea of owing your parents anything more than you owe the rest of society is a nonsensical social construct that is thankfully dying out. In your case, my comment likely does not apply as it sounds like you were abused horribly as a child, but the statement above is an extreme perspective to take generally, given that a person’s parent(s), typically at the least, provided them with some level of care when they were infants and young children. Of course, there are rare instances of horrible abuse, but it is not endemic. Also, one cannot even exist without parents, so we owe them at least that consideration versus a random person. Most parents sacrificed some of their future to have children and ignoring that fact is usually (except in extreme cases) reflective of selfishness and self-absorption from the increasingly entitled populations of wealthy countries.
- blep_ 4y ago

drexlspivey 4y ago

> The reality for many of us who grew up in poverty and may have 'made it' to a greater or lesser extent is that our families are likely didn't. It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. I find it highly disappointing. You are saying this as you are charging rent to your mother? I have never heard of anyone doing that.

sweetjuly 4y ago
"Hey mom, the rent board approved an 8.8% rent increase. Please sign this document acknowledging the new rate or indicate that you will vacate within 90 days. Thanks, love you!"
Pigalowda 4y ago
Right? If it's rent of $1/month I would totally understand. But the way he phrased it sounds like 25% off his usual going rate. For comedic effect I'll imagine it's 25% off. Or better yet he's charging the entirety of her monthly SSI check and she has to pay for food with a SNAP card.
Kokouane 4y ago
Perhaps they cannot afford the mortgage payments without some assistance in the rent? Charging her a reduced rent is still better than the cost of living elsewhere.
- jimmux 4y ago
  I'm not in the US so rules are different here, but that's somewhat the situation for me as my mother's "landlord". My mum also insists on paying so she can feel at least some ownership in the property. There are other factors. I make a loss on renting this property, which has to be reported for tax reasons. If I was charging below market rates it could raise flags. Because my mum also receives an allowance as full time carer for my aunt, it additionally allows them to also claim a bit in rent assistance. This felt a bit off at first but I have confirmed it's all above board. Better than paying off someone else's mortgage. Most importantly, a few years ago my mum was homeless and my aunt had nobody willing to care for her. This way they have a secure roof over their heads so I have no regrets. Then there's my brothers who have moved in rent-free while they get back on their feet after a rough patch. It's tough for a lot of people out there, so we have to do what works.

brailsafe 4y ago

I suppose that could be an interesting thing to elaborate on. Do you feel like M's and Zs should feel responsible for their families any specific way? I'm 30 and it's hard to see a future where I'll have any of the financial advantages they did. It's possible, if things go amazingly well, even though I make at least 2.5x their salary at any given moment (on the very low end for a software dev in general with >5 years experience) I likely won't have kids, might not ever own a home, might end up homeless again, but everyone's situation is different. Granted, they had kids accidentally, and screwed up their entire adulthood from day 3, but things seemed a little more forgiving because their parents didn't do that.

RosanaAnaDana 4y ago
I think we're all responsible for each other in some way. It doesn't have to explicitly be your biological family, but industrialization has resulted in the atomization of social bonds and familial units, largely in an effort to commoditize and monetize them. Humans evolved in large social units, and we relied on social bonds not only for a shared sense of identity and community, but also for protection, the shared accumulation of resources, etc. Modern society appears to make many of those evolved tendencies no longer a priority. However, with a bit of a deeper stare, many of the ills we all suffer in this world can be seen as an extension of this atomization. I suppose my broader thesis is that I think we're all responsible for one another in some way. It doesn't need to and shouldn't go beyond your means, but if you can help someone else out, you should. Another example, is that during the pandemic, I let some neighbors and friends take over sections of one of my yards for gardening. They ripped up an area of maybe 200 sq feet, and planted a nice garden for themselves. I had already built and established my own raised beds, but they lived in an apartment, and didn't have access to a community garden. Its a small nicety, a tiny bit of community, but it was basically no effort and minor cost to me to do so. I'm by no means suggesting that you should impoverish yourself to help other people. I'm following a broader thesis that human bonds and community are things that require building, not bought or borrowed. I do so where I can when I have the means to do so. And this is where my disappointment with M and Z lay. I don't blame them; I attribute it to the commercialization of all things that has resulted from whatever this modern quagmire we're in is. I'm squarely an 'M', but so many of this generation seem to think that community is something they can buy. They don't seem interested or to understand that sometimes you have to dig your heals in and build the world you want to see. I don't think B was any better in this regard, but M and Z don't have the advantage of a favorable game board to play on. We'll have to do things differently to win. I think maybe I got lucky, in that I had a period of a couple of years of homelessness after I got out of military service. I ended up in the anarchist/ revolutionary scene, and saw people building a community they wanted to be a part of. They did what they needed to for survival, and a big part of that was building a community. Creating social bonds and ties. Giving and receiving small kindness from one another, like a deal on rent or a space to garden. Offering kindesses where you can is one way to create community, and if you can afford to do so, you should. I've carried that sentiment with me through the decisions I make. If I can make an effort or offer a small kindness, I will. I'm trying to build community where I stand. Its not something I expect to buy or have to rent. It comes from within ourselves.

danpalmer 4y ago

> It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. Is it really so shocking given the vast generational wealth inequality in much of society today? In many families the previous generation who may have been working class and earning relatively little, are now property owners, having bought when housing cost far less relative to incomes. A generation with property and pensions don't need support from renters on historically low wages.

eternalban 4y ago
> A generation with property and pensions don't need support from renters on historically low wages. Right, but we are discussing Mom and Dad and their 'bundles of joy' here, not generational demographic subsets.
RosanaAnaDana 4y ago
Its not like the many of the boomer generation have property and pensions either. The tail of the boomers caught the 1980-90's recessions right on the chin, and many lost anything they built up in 2008, ending up renting through till now. Plenty of boomers have lots of property, but its a very bimodal bag of have lots and have nothings.

antisthenes 4y ago

> It's shocking to me how many M's and Z's don't see themselves as being responsible for their families. Probably because most Z's are still just entering the workforce, and most M's have just began to earn decent money, because of the 2008-09 banking crisis. HN is not representative of the population at wide, so the sentiment you're seeing probably doesn't apply to people making $200k+ total comp. > I find it highly disappointing. Do you do anything about it?

the_only_law 4y ago
> Probably because most Z's are still just entering the workforce I’m on the older end of GenZ and my parents are middle aged happily working good jobs to support themselves and the new set kids they decided to have. GP really just seems like they wanted to bitch and whine about “kids these days”.
- antisthenes 4y ago
  > GP really just seems like they wanted to bitch and whine about “kids these days”. Not really. Both things can be true. Some Gen Z/Ys absolutely loathe their parents, some for good reason and some, not so much.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    That’s not the point. This was not about whether someone “loathes” their parents or not. It’s about a feeling of responsibility and financial support. GenZ is at the oldest ~26. Most of them are probably not in the position to brankroll other people and many of their parents are not helpless seniles anyway. The youngest are still fucking children. Are we seriously expecting teenagers to see themselves as responsible for their parents? And shit if we’re making sweeping generalizations about generations based on personal anecdotes, both my GenX parents had very poor antagonistic relationships with their parents. So don’t try to pin everything on people who came after you.

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