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Since you mention routers, I’m curious what brand you use. Since Ubiquity started fown the cloud-first path I’ve switched to Mikrotik. While they do seem to ha

Since you mention routers, I’m curious what brand you use. Since Ubiquity started fown the cloud-first path I’ve switched to Mikrotik. While they do seem to have regular CVEs (which is good, I think?), they also don’t seem to have a public bug bounty program.

nickjj 4y ago
> Since Ubiquity started fown the cloud-first path I’ve switched to Mikrotik I was thinking about getting a Ubiquity router because it has good support for setting up wired VLANs without needing to go down the path of finding a solid OpenWrt router. Is it really true that you can't access the router's dashboard and configure things without associating an online account to your router?
- Terretta 4y ago
  No
- rolph 4y ago
  https://www.lifewire.com/ubiquiti-promised-premium-secure-routers-then-they-were-hacked-5121136 https://www.lifewire.com/ubiquiti-promised-premium-secure-ro... [2021]
- Spooky23 4y ago
  That’s not true. You need to use the gui though. I think some folks preferred the cli in the past.
- shamiln 4y ago
  My UDM and UDR aren’t connected to UI’s cloud services, so it’s not really cloud first.
- ghostpepper 4y ago
  It's definitely still possible to use without cloud now, what I meant by "started down the path" is that it seems like the direction of the company is not aligned with what I want. I was in the market for more hardware and I had to decide whether to increase my investment in Ubiquity or make a change, and I chose the latter.
- psutor 4y ago
  They did add back non-cloud support a while ago after the cloud forcing didn't go over well, but it is a second-class experience. The day after I set my UDM Pro up as non-cloud, it corrupted the login somehow and I had to factory reset it and redo all settings (as it hadn't been running long enough to run any automatic backups first). I capitulated and just set it up again as a cloud login to avoid having the same fiasco at some random point in the future again. I immediately regretted going with the UDM to save (quite) a few bucks over a OPNsense/pfSense appliance to fit my requirement of handling a full 10G of WAN. I will admit having the app to monitor usage remotely is a somewhat neat trick. I find the firewall configuration in GUI obtuse enough to be next to unusable.
  - ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
    > I immediately regretted going with the UDM to save (quite) a few bucks over a OPNsense/pfSense appliance to fit my requirement of handling a full 10G of WAN. As someone who bit the bullet and sold all their UniFi gear on eBay and switched to OPNsense and Ruckus, I'll tell you that it's been absolutely worth it.
- foresto 4y ago
  > Is it really true that you can't access the router's dashboard and configure things without associating an online account to your router? That might be true for their UniFi line, but EdgeMAX devices work fine without an online account. EdgeRouters run a fork of Vyatta, with configuration files and command line operations that are fairly easy to work with. They also have a web UI for common configurations, though I have little experience with it. A bit of warning: EdgeMAX support has been declining in recent years. Security updates are still published, but bugs don't seem to be addressed as quickly or consistently as they were in the past, and some forum users have expressed doubts about what kind of support will exist in the future. That said, my equipment is still doing fine. I think OpenWRT has been ported to at least one Ubiquiti router, so that might be a good fallback if EdgeOS support ever ends. I wonder if anyone here has tried it.
ahelwer 4y ago
I bought a Turris Omnia used on ebay for about a hundred bucks. Very powerful, open source hardware & software, good community, adblock server built in if you're too lazy to set up a pihole, enough compute power to host lots of neat services on it.
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nickjj 4y ago

> Since Ubiquity started fown the cloud-first path I’ve switched to Mikrotik I was thinking about getting a Ubiquity router because it has good support for setting up wired VLANs without needing to go down the path of finding a solid OpenWrt router. Is it really true that you can't access the router's dashboard and configure things without associating an online account to your router?

Terretta 4y ago
No
rolph 4y ago
https://www.lifewire.com/ubiquiti-promised-premium-secure-routers-then-they-were-hacked-5121136 https://www.lifewire.com/ubiquiti-promised-premium-secure-ro... [2021]
Spooky23 4y ago
That’s not true. You need to use the gui though. I think some folks preferred the cli in the past.
shamiln 4y ago
My UDM and UDR aren’t connected to UI’s cloud services, so it’s not really cloud first.
ghostpepper 4y ago
It's definitely still possible to use without cloud now, what I meant by "started down the path" is that it seems like the direction of the company is not aligned with what I want. I was in the market for more hardware and I had to decide whether to increase my investment in Ubiquity or make a change, and I chose the latter.
psutor 4y ago
They did add back non-cloud support a while ago after the cloud forcing didn't go over well, but it is a second-class experience. The day after I set my UDM Pro up as non-cloud, it corrupted the login somehow and I had to factory reset it and redo all settings (as it hadn't been running long enough to run any automatic backups first). I capitulated and just set it up again as a cloud login to avoid having the same fiasco at some random point in the future again. I immediately regretted going with the UDM to save (quite) a few bucks over a OPNsense/pfSense appliance to fit my requirement of handling a full 10G of WAN. I will admit having the app to monitor usage remotely is a somewhat neat trick. I find the firewall configuration in GUI obtuse enough to be next to unusable.
- ThePowerOfFuet 4y ago
  > I immediately regretted going with the UDM to save (quite) a few bucks over a OPNsense/pfSense appliance to fit my requirement of handling a full 10G of WAN. As someone who bit the bullet and sold all their UniFi gear on eBay and switched to OPNsense and Ruckus, I'll tell you that it's been absolutely worth it.
foresto 4y ago
> Is it really true that you can't access the router's dashboard and configure things without associating an online account to your router? That might be true for their UniFi line, but EdgeMAX devices work fine without an online account. EdgeRouters run a fork of Vyatta, with configuration files and command line operations that are fairly easy to work with. They also have a web UI for common configurations, though I have little experience with it. A bit of warning: EdgeMAX support has been declining in recent years. Security updates are still published, but bugs don't seem to be addressed as quickly or consistently as they were in the past, and some forum users have expressed doubts about what kind of support will exist in the future. That said, my equipment is still doing fine. I think OpenWRT has been ported to at least one Ubiquiti router, so that might be a good fallback if EdgeOS support ever ends. I wonder if anyone here has tried it.

ahelwer 4y ago

I bought a Turris Omnia used on ebay for about a hundred bucks. Very powerful, open source hardware & software, good community, adblock server built in if you're too lazy to set up a pihole, enough compute power to host lots of neat services on it.

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