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Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a

Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a shadow ban. Edit for clarity.

causality0 4y ago
"Shadow ban" would be a good term to use for that if it didn't already have a meaning that was different. But it does.
- extheat 4y ago
  Hence why I said silently. If I’m posting something and it appears to me as usual on my feed but not others, by all means that’s a shadow ban.
  - InspiredIdiot 4y ago
    Nope. Still wrong. I understand there is some way it feels like that from your perspective but DDG and Bing don't own your feed. So they are hiding nothing from you. They are 100% ~up-front~ (edit) consistent about not choosing to show your site (ban it) and the fact that they don't control your feed doesn't make it any more accurate to apply the word "shadow" to their ban.
    - InspiredIdiot 4y ago
      I have become what I hate most. Someone who didn't read the article. I've heard too many instances of the term being misapplied and jumped to a conclusion based on the discussion. If you use Bing webmaster tools (a logged-in account for the use of the domain owner/content creator) and you can see indications that Bing indexed the content and no indications that errors preventing it from being eligible to show then it is certainly at least closer to a shadow ban than I originally thought. Still, any reference to a "feed" entirely misses the point unless Bing is the one also serving that feed. I can't see any evidence that Bing displays a feed to the poster.
colanderman 4y ago
No, a shadow ban specifically is designed to mislead you into thinking you are not banned, to delay you attempting to work around the ban. Regardless of whether you were notified, if you can see that you are banned, it is by definition not a shadow ban.
- rvnx 4y ago
  In this case, a shadow ban would mean that if the owner of this website searched for his site on Bing/DDG, it would appear normally to him, but would be hidden from everyone else.
ilyt 4y ago
That would be silent ban (if you're not getting informend that you are, or reason for it), or just plain ban. Shadow ban is explicity "pretend to user they are not banned, but don't show it to everyone else" Like say getting shadow banned on reddit or HN, you will see your stuff when you're logged in, but anonymous or other people wont. Search equivalent would be you getting your own site when you're searching but nobody else does

Well if you are silently placed on a hide list (by manual human intervention without you being able to know without a third party), then by all means that is a shadow ban. Edit for clarity.

causality0 4y ago

"Shadow ban" would be a good term to use for that if it didn't already have a meaning that was different. But it does.

extheat 4y ago
Hence why I said silently. If I’m posting something and it appears to me as usual on my feed but not others, by all means that’s a shadow ban.
- InspiredIdiot 4y ago
  Nope. Still wrong. I understand there is some way it feels like that from your perspective but DDG and Bing don't own your feed. So they are hiding nothing from you. They are 100% ~up-front~ (edit) consistent about not choosing to show your site (ban it) and the fact that they don't control your feed doesn't make it any more accurate to apply the word "shadow" to their ban.
  - InspiredIdiot 4y ago
    I have become what I hate most. Someone who didn't read the article. I've heard too many instances of the term being misapplied and jumped to a conclusion based on the discussion. If you use Bing webmaster tools (a logged-in account for the use of the domain owner/content creator) and you can see indications that Bing indexed the content and no indications that errors preventing it from being eligible to show then it is certainly at least closer to a shadow ban than I originally thought. Still, any reference to a "feed" entirely misses the point unless Bing is the one also serving that feed. I can't see any evidence that Bing displays a feed to the poster.

colanderman 4y ago

No, a shadow ban specifically is designed to mislead you into thinking you are not banned, to delay you attempting to work around the ban. Regardless of whether you were notified, if you can see that you are banned, it is by definition not a shadow ban.

rvnx 4y ago
In this case, a shadow ban would mean that if the owner of this website searched for his site on Bing/DDG, it would appear normally to him, but would be hidden from everyone else.

ilyt 4y ago

That would be silent ban (if you're not getting informend that you are, or reason for it), or just plain ban. Shadow ban is explicity "pretend to user they are not banned, but don't show it to everyone else" Like say getting shadow banned on reddit or HN, you will see your stuff when you're logged in, but anonymous or other people wont. Search equivalent would be you getting your own site when you're searching but nobody else does