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This is just a proof of concept. A first attempt. Assume increased yields over time through engineering improvements, maybe some genetic engineering, etc. You e
by jillesvangurp 4y ago
This is just a proof of concept. A first attempt. Assume increased yields over time through engineering improvements, maybe some genetic engineering, etc. You end up with a more favorable situation.
Also with vertical farming, you have to think in terms of vertical and time dimensions. You have no more seasons and you get to harvest throughout the year. And you can stack vertically. So, it can be pretty efficient in terms of land usage depending on how high you stack.
As for energy and light needs. Yes, it would need lots of energy but nowhere near what you think. Your back of the envelope math is talking about acres which isn't that useful of a metric for your energy needs. This is the fallacy in your argument. It's not about the light emitted but about the light delivered to the plant. Which depends mainly on the distance to the plant of the light source.
You can actually grow herbs with a kitchen light LED. I've done so. They sure aren't anywhere near as bright as the sun or particularly efficient. But it works. You just have to put them pretty close to the plant to minimize the light losses. That's the whole point of a vertical farm: minimize the losses by maximizing the light usage. Lots of low energy LEDs centimeters away from the plant are much more efficient than big light sources a meter or so away. And what happens to the light that "misses" the plant? Very simple it either gets absorbed by something and turned into heat or reflected by something back to the plant. And of course you'll find lots of reflective surfaces in vertical farms for that reason. Ultimately a lot of it gets transformed into heat. Some of that is useful. Plants grow faster at higher temperatures. And some of that is a cooling problem. Which takes more energy.
Vertical farming feasibility is mainly going to be a function of price and availability of energy. And as energy is the most costly component, yields measured in tonnes per mwh are a more sensible way to think about the feasibility than tonnes per acre. Acres are not that useful as a metric for measuring energy usage. They are useful for traditional farms mainly because land is expensive and you can't stack your crops on it. But it's a useless notion for measuring vertical farm production. How do you even measure acres in a 3 dimensional environment?
So the real feasibility just depends on cost per mwh. As that comes down, a lot of things become feasible. Including vertical farming all sorts of things. It's a cost curve. Right now energy is to costly and yields are to low. There's a point where those curves cross and things become feasible.
- timmaxw 4y ago> As for energy and light needs. Yes, it would need lots of energy but nowhere near what you think. Your back of the envelope math is talking about acres which isn't that useful of a metric for your energy needs. It's true that acres were an awkward way to do the calculation. Let's redo the calculation in megawatt-hours. - According to https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0706-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0706-x, grain crops yield about 0.24 grams of dry weight per mol of photons. (This assumes 100% of the photons are delivered to the plant, e.g. the LED is shining directly on the leaf with nothing lost.) - One mol of photons embodies about 0.1kWh of energy. (That's for red photons; higher-frequency photons would require more energy. And note this is a physical limit, where we're assuming the LEDs are already 100% efficient.) - So that works out to 0.0024 metric tonnes dry weight of grain per MWh. Global grain production is about 2,700 million metric tonnes per year (per https://www.statista.com/statistics/263977/world-grain-production-by-type/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/263977/world-grain-produ...) - So we'd need 1,125,000 TWh/yr of energy to grow the world's supply of grain through indoor farming, or 45x the world's current electricity production. And this calculation is just for grains; to grow all the non-grain crops too, you'd need even more energy. So I stand by my original estimate. What about genetic engineering? Looking at https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0706-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-018-0706-x, the "0.24 grams of dry weight per mol of photons" calculation is taking into account that e.g. grain plants are not as efficient as some other plants at absorbing light, and not all of the grain plant is edible. The most efficient plants (leafy greens) produce 1.33 grams of dry weight per mol of photons. So if we could genetically engineer a grain plant that absorbed as much light as the most efficient plants, and didn't have an inedible stalk, then we'd need 203,000 TWh/yr of electricity to grow the world's supply of grain, which is "only" 8x the world's current electricity production. And at that point, we've squeezed out all the obvious sources of inefficiency; to do better, you'd need to fundamentally change plant biology, or just do photosynthesis directly in a vat, or something.