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> The biggest scam of renewables is not the viability of the technology itself, but the lie by omission that all renewables require baseload power which always

> The biggest scam of renewables is not the viability of the technology itself, but the lie by omission that all renewables require baseload power which always happens to be non-renewable. The massive expansion of gas peaking plants in Germany, Europe and the rest of the developed world is the prime example of the lie Peaker plants are not baseload power. Baseload power means constant output, peaker plants are by definition variable output. You should also take into account that renewables+peaker plants replace coal plants in Germany, the emissions are reduced compared to before.

0xy 4y ago
If emissions are reduced, emissions are not zero. That's the fundamental lie. >Peaker plants are not baseload power Not according to reality. [1] Gas has been producing consistently on a daily basis for over a year in Germany. Natural gas is used to prop up baseload generation in Germany and practically every region it's used. [1] https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/service/recent-electricity-data/chart/power_generation/12.01.2023/15.01.2023/today/ https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/service/recent-electric...
- loufe 4y ago
  This is willfully ignorant. Yes it has been used, but that was not its design function. I'm not justifying its use, but it's unfair to qualify it as de jure baseload when in reality it may be temporarily de facto base load.
- credit_guy 4y ago
  > If emissions are reduced, emissions are not zero. That's the fundamental lie. What are you trying to say here? That reducing emissions is not good? That only 100% reduction is good and anything less is bad? That's quite a strange point of view to have.
  - 0xy 4y ago
    If you market a product as renewable it is absolutely an egregious lie to forget to mention that the product requires the construction of gas plants which are not renewable. Wind and solar are marketed and sold as emission-free. Meanwhile, while countries pat themselves on the back, they're building brand new gas plants. 'Renewables + gas' is not even close to emissions-free, especially not when Germany has gas plants firing literally 24 hours a day for the last year or more.

0xy 4y ago

If emissions are reduced, emissions are not zero. That's the fundamental lie. >Peaker plants are not baseload power Not according to reality. [1] Gas has been producing consistently on a daily basis for over a year in Germany. Natural gas is used to prop up baseload generation in Germany and practically every region it's used. [1] https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/service/recent-electricity-data/chart/power_generation/12.01.2023/15.01.2023/today/ https://www.agora-energiewende.de/en/service/recent-electric...

loufe 4y ago
This is willfully ignorant. Yes it has been used, but that was not its design function. I'm not justifying its use, but it's unfair to qualify it as de jure baseload when in reality it may be temporarily de facto base load.
credit_guy 4y ago
> If emissions are reduced, emissions are not zero. That's the fundamental lie. What are you trying to say here? That reducing emissions is not good? That only 100% reduction is good and anything less is bad? That's quite a strange point of view to have.
- 0xy 4y ago
  If you market a product as renewable it is absolutely an egregious lie to forget to mention that the product requires the construction of gas plants which are not renewable. Wind and solar are marketed and sold as emission-free. Meanwhile, while countries pat themselves on the back, they're building brand new gas plants. 'Renewables + gas' is not even close to emissions-free, especially not when Germany has gas plants firing literally 24 hours a day for the last year or more.