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> countries like Japan have bad immigration policies Bad in the sense that they can have a shrinking population without ceding their country to foreigners, wit

> countries like Japan have bad immigration policies Bad in the sense that they can have a shrinking population without ceding their country to foreigners, without sacrificing their nationhood on the altar of economy? As you say, we are at 8 billion already, how many more can the planet support? Well, think globally, act locally: how many can Japan support? Reducing population one country at a time is much easier than the global coordination problem of reducing it for the entire world. How can you at once be aware that the global population is already too large, yet demand each country have perpetual population growth, either through birthrate or immigration?

akudha 4y ago
There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. Japan has very little interest in allowing even modest amount of immigration. And Immigration won't fix all their population issues either. It is just one of the ways to handle the population crisis.
- nhchris 4y ago
  > There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. You're just suggesting they do it slowly. Salami slicing to the same conclusion.
  - ido 4y ago
    No it's not. People adapt to the host country and become people of that country. My kids were both born in Germany and are "German" in every way, even though both me and my wife are immigrants. Doing it gradually allows immigrants to subsume into society rather than create parallel societies.
    - nhchris 4y ago
      That's blank-slatist pseudoscience that has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. What makes a German 'German' is as much, if not more so, about ancestry as it is about culture. After all, their culture has changed dramatically in the last e.g. 500 years.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      Living in Germany, I'm sure you see that that's neither easy nor something that happens automatically. Parallel societies exist and are growing. Maybe it would be different if you didn't have large cultural groups who could form them? But then again, there aren't any Polish parallel societies in Germany (and ~2% immigrated or have an ancestor that came from Poland), and after a generation, you can only tell them apart from the rest of the population by their last name.

akudha 4y ago

There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. Japan has very little interest in allowing even modest amount of immigration. And Immigration won't fix all their population issues either. It is just one of the ways to handle the population crisis.

nhchris 4y ago
> There are ways to support immigration without ceding one's country to foreigners. I am not suggesting they import 50 million people overnight. You're just suggesting they do it slowly. Salami slicing to the same conclusion.
- ido 4y ago
  No it's not. People adapt to the host country and become people of that country. My kids were both born in Germany and are "German" in every way, even though both me and my wife are immigrants. Doing it gradually allows immigrants to subsume into society rather than create parallel societies.
  - nhchris 4y ago
    That's blank-slatist pseudoscience that has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. What makes a German 'German' is as much, if not more so, about ancestry as it is about culture. After all, their culture has changed dramatically in the last e.g. 500 years.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    Living in Germany, I'm sure you see that that's neither easy nor something that happens automatically. Parallel societies exist and are growing. Maybe it would be different if you didn't have large cultural groups who could form them? But then again, there aren't any Polish parallel societies in Germany (and ~2% immigrated or have an ancestor that came from Poland), and after a generation, you can only tell them apart from the rest of the population by their last name.